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Unfortunately this relationship has the makings of a codependent relationship. When you combine a man who is probably insecure since he searches for dates on cr

Unfortunately this relationship has the makings of a codependent relationship. When you combine a man who is probably insecure since he searches for dates on craigslist and a woman with a litany of mental issues you generally have a codependent relationship. The insecure man needs to feel "needed" and the women needs to be "saved". Most of these relationships do not end well and lead to long-term unhappiness for both parties.

IamBren 14y ago
I'm surprised nobody else on his blog or on HN has mentioned this. I didn't find this post heartwarming as much as I found it gut-wrenching, but only because I've been there myself to a lesser degree (which was still terribly exhausting and heartbreaking in so many ways).
conradfr 14y ago
I kinka thought that when he casually says he didn't want to watch the fireworks, while I guess it was only because she wouldn't.
chernevik 14y ago
Well, yeah. That's certainly a risk here, isn't it? And what shall the gentleman do? "Well I love you but it's probably a mistake because I'm probably a mess myself so let's just walk away from it?" Even were this situation as bad as you imagine that strikes me as a soul-killing response to problems. I agree this looks rough but I've seen some very bad situations that ended up looking like something from Disney. Those situations had heroes and those heroes went through some crazy shit. There is hope. So. The guy is going for it. Are we satisfied to comment that it will all end in tears? Or shall we look for some way to help it to a better end? It isn't enough here to note the risk. You have to offer something constructive. I don't say "not hard", perhaps this relationship is a terrible idea and if it is so then it is no kindness to pretend otherwise. But the OP simply isn't going to hear "dude, co-dependent, not good". If you see trouble clearly enough to say so then you have a duty to offer some path around it or through it.
- mattchew 14y ago
  > And what shall the gentleman do? "Well I love you but it's probably a mistake because I'm probably a mess myself so let's just walk away from it?" It is OK to size up a potential relationship and make a practical decision about pursuing it before you actually fall in love with someone. For most people, starting a relationship with a severe schizophrenic is a bad idea. You're letting yourself in for a lot of suffering and very likely you'll further injure your loved one when you eventually leave because you can't take it any more. I think part of growing up is recognizing that not every person you feel attracted to is actually a good person for you to be involved with. Letting feelings of attraction trump one's better judgement causes a awful lot of misery in the world (usually in much less dramatic but much more common scenarios). I'm speaking of the general case here. As you say, sometimes seemingly reckless relationships do work out. Kas clearly doesn't regret falling in love with Sally and I hope that they go on to have long and reasonably happy lives together.
  - chernevik 14y ago
    "It is OK to size up a potential relationship and make a practical decision" Absolutely. But that size up should consist of more than simple pattern recognition.
- jmd28 14y ago
  Not sure if I've been banned here or not... my account seems to have been wiped out... but whatever. I think part of what people are picking up on is that for all his generosity of spirit and love for Sally, he's decidedly unsympathetic to anyone else which suggests to me he's underestimating things. Was Mr. WoW a horrible human to begin with? Did he know what he was doing? Did he have the support structure you excellently advised about creating in your other post? Did he just love WoW or did WoW become his only escape from a situation he could no longer handle? Those aren't questions for anyone, just ones I might ask myself.
  - Jayschwa 14y ago
    You don't appear to be hell-banned (if that's what you're referring to in your first sentence).
kjackson2012 14y ago
The author's story is very romantic, but I think this comment is probably the hard truth of the matter. It's an unhealthy relationship on both sides. It's unfortunate that this relationship is so tragic, but sometimes in life there are no happy endings. I wish the author the best and hopefully something good comes from it, but my guess is that it will be a tragic relationship with tragic end results.

IamBren 14y ago

I'm surprised nobody else on his blog or on HN has mentioned this. I didn't find this post heartwarming as much as I found it gut-wrenching, but only because I've been there myself to a lesser degree (which was still terribly exhausting and heartbreaking in so many ways).

conradfr 14y ago

I kinka thought that when he casually says he didn't want to watch the fireworks, while I guess it was only because she wouldn't.

chernevik 14y ago

Well, yeah. That's certainly a risk here, isn't it? And what shall the gentleman do? "Well I love you but it's probably a mistake because I'm probably a mess myself so let's just walk away from it?" Even were this situation as bad as you imagine that strikes me as a soul-killing response to problems. I agree this looks rough but I've seen some very bad situations that ended up looking like something from Disney. Those situations had heroes and those heroes went through some crazy shit. There is hope. So. The guy is going for it. Are we satisfied to comment that it will all end in tears? Or shall we look for some way to help it to a better end? It isn't enough here to note the risk. You have to offer something constructive. I don't say "not hard", perhaps this relationship is a terrible idea and if it is so then it is no kindness to pretend otherwise. But the OP simply isn't going to hear "dude, co-dependent, not good". If you see trouble clearly enough to say so then you have a duty to offer some path around it or through it.

mattchew 14y ago
> And what shall the gentleman do? "Well I love you but it's probably a mistake because I'm probably a mess myself so let's just walk away from it?" It is OK to size up a potential relationship and make a practical decision about pursuing it before you actually fall in love with someone. For most people, starting a relationship with a severe schizophrenic is a bad idea. You're letting yourself in for a lot of suffering and very likely you'll further injure your loved one when you eventually leave because you can't take it any more. I think part of growing up is recognizing that not every person you feel attracted to is actually a good person for you to be involved with. Letting feelings of attraction trump one's better judgement causes a awful lot of misery in the world (usually in much less dramatic but much more common scenarios). I'm speaking of the general case here. As you say, sometimes seemingly reckless relationships do work out. Kas clearly doesn't regret falling in love with Sally and I hope that they go on to have long and reasonably happy lives together.
- chernevik 14y ago
  "It is OK to size up a potential relationship and make a practical decision" Absolutely. But that size up should consist of more than simple pattern recognition.
jmd28 14y ago
Not sure if I've been banned here or not... my account seems to have been wiped out... but whatever. I think part of what people are picking up on is that for all his generosity of spirit and love for Sally, he's decidedly unsympathetic to anyone else which suggests to me he's underestimating things. Was Mr. WoW a horrible human to begin with? Did he know what he was doing? Did he have the support structure you excellently advised about creating in your other post? Did he just love WoW or did WoW become his only escape from a situation he could no longer handle? Those aren't questions for anyone, just ones I might ask myself.
- Jayschwa 14y ago
  You don't appear to be hell-banned (if that's what you're referring to in your first sentence).

kjackson2012 14y ago

The author's story is very romantic, but I think this comment is probably the hard truth of the matter. It's an unhealthy relationship on both sides. It's unfortunate that this relationship is so tragic, but sometimes in life there are no happy endings. I wish the author the best and hopefully something good comes from it, but my guess is that it will be a tragic relationship with tragic end results.