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In comment section someone suggested using that on sex offenders... Nice, get wrongly accused of rape (might not happen where you live, but where I live it's co

by lifebar 14y ago

In comment section someone suggested using that on sex offenders... Nice, get wrongly accused of rape (might not happen where you live, but where I live it's common way to get money from a man) and be lobotomised. Some other commenter suggests to find anger spot in brain and fix that... I suggest beter surgery- lets behead every morron suggesting such crap.

betterunix 14y ago
There are already proposals to castrate (chemically or even surgically) sex offenders. It was not all that long ago that lobotomy was common practice, and it was applied to prisoners.
- lifebar 14y ago
  Yes, and I hopped that we grew out of "lets do unfixable damage to everyone we don't like" age. And about castration - it might end up common practice, after all radical feminists are pushing for castration of men (and their extermination), feminism keeps fud that all women will be raped... I would honestly take capital punishment rather than live lobotomised or castrated.
  - king_jester 14y ago
    > And about castration - it might end up common practice, after all radical feminists are pushing for castration of men (and their extermination), feminism keeps fud that all women will be raped... This is FUD, mandatory chemical or surgical castration for convicts is not a popular thing and isn't being pushed for legislatively or by most activist groups at this time. Feminism does not make a case for exterminating men, and anyone who suggests that men should be exterminated is an idiot. Also, 1 in 4 women will be sexually assaulted in their lifetime, that is a very real problem, but please get your facts straight.
    - betterunix 14y ago
      "Also, 1 in 4 women will be sexually assaulted in their lifetime" That is a number that came from one study, from the 1980s, which was conducted by a feminist, and which includes attempted attacks. I am not saying that the problem of women being sexually assaulted should be ignored, but the 1-in-4 figure is the second highest to have been reported (1-in-3 is the highest; some studies have found less than 1-in-50) and was meant to be shocking. The experimental methodology used to find that number was based on the hypothesis that using words like "rape" would trigger a denial in the women be surveyed; thus the study asks questions that fit a broad definition of rape, and even the woman who created that survey later admitted that one of the questions about rape was ambiguous and could cover consensual sex. Don't just parrot numbers you read in feminists literature. Rape is a serious crime; don't diminish its significance or the extent of its harm by claiming that there are nearly a hundred million rape victims in America (which invites people to ask, "Why aren't all those victims in counseling? Is rape really a crime whose victims need counseling?").
      - king_jester 14y ago
        > That is a number that came from one study, from the 1980s, which was conducted by a feminist, and which includes attempted attacks. Upon reading your comment, I went back to look for original source material. You are right, I could not find a source or even mention or that fact. Instead, I found citations for studies that show 1 in 4 women will experience a sexual assault (not just rape) during an academic career, or that 1 in 4 women will experience sexual violence from a partner in their lifetime, or that 1 in 6 American women have been the victim or an attempted or completed rape in their lifetime. So I do apologize for having the wrong statistic. Also, since when does being a feminist automatically disqualify your study or paper? > Rape is a serious crime; don't diminish its significance or the extent of its harm by claiming that there are nearly a hundred million rape victims in America (which invites people to ask, "Why aren't all those victims in counseling? Is rape really a crime whose victims need counseling?"). There are at least hundreds of thousands of sexual assault survivors in the US, which is horrifying enough. As for what you said about counseling, those kinds of comments are one of the more common kinds of derailment people trot out and you and I both know is there is a large number of reasons why any person is not in counseling (for anything, really): cost, stigma, lack of access to counseling services, etc. In any case, OPs paranoia about being castrated by angry feminists is laughable and spreads FUD about feminism, esp. in regard to what rad fems consider feminism to be.
    - klibertp 14y ago
      Ignoring the exact percentage you discuss below (I don't care if it's 1-in-4 or 1-in-50 - it's still too damn much!) do you happen to know a) what are the long term trends worldwide for this statistic and b) where in the world this number is the lowest (and maybe: why, but I don't think this has an easy answer)?
      - betterunix 14y ago
        "do you happen to know a) what are the long term trends worldwide for this statistic and b) where in the world this number is the lowest (and maybe: why, but I don't think this has an easy answer)?" I wish I did, but I do not. As far as I know, the UN collects statistics that are based on police records, which are notoriously unreliable when it comes to rape, and I am not even sure how one could gather reliable statistics in places where victims are literally blamed for being raped (incredibly, such places exist). If someone wants to point out other sources, please do. What I can say, which is relevant to (b), is where the highest number of rapes is occurring: Central Africa. In Congo, rape is being used as a military tactic and that is just the beginning of the sexual violence there; despite an official end to the war, the fighting has not really ended, and it is now being carried about by militias that have loose affiliations with various governments and rebel groups in the region. Consider yourself fortunate that you do not live there, and think about that fact every time you buy a mobile phone (for more info, take a look at Steve Jobs' statements on tantalum).

by lifebar 14y ago

betterunix 14y ago

There are already proposals to castrate (chemically or even surgically) sex offenders. It was not all that long ago that lobotomy was common practice, and it was applied to prisoners.

lifebar 14y ago
Yes, and I hopped that we grew out of "lets do unfixable damage to everyone we don't like" age. And about castration - it might end up common practice, after all radical feminists are pushing for castration of men (and their extermination), feminism keeps fud that all women will be raped... I would honestly take capital punishment rather than live lobotomised or castrated.
- king_jester 14y ago
  > And about castration - it might end up common practice, after all radical feminists are pushing for castration of men (and their extermination), feminism keeps fud that all women will be raped... This is FUD, mandatory chemical or surgical castration for convicts is not a popular thing and isn't being pushed for legislatively or by most activist groups at this time. Feminism does not make a case for exterminating men, and anyone who suggests that men should be exterminated is an idiot. Also, 1 in 4 women will be sexually assaulted in their lifetime, that is a very real problem, but please get your facts straight.
  - betterunix 14y ago
    "Also, 1 in 4 women will be sexually assaulted in their lifetime" That is a number that came from one study, from the 1980s, which was conducted by a feminist, and which includes attempted attacks. I am not saying that the problem of women being sexually assaulted should be ignored, but the 1-in-4 figure is the second highest to have been reported (1-in-3 is the highest; some studies have found less than 1-in-50) and was meant to be shocking. The experimental methodology used to find that number was based on the hypothesis that using words like "rape" would trigger a denial in the women be surveyed; thus the study asks questions that fit a broad definition of rape, and even the woman who created that survey later admitted that one of the questions about rape was ambiguous and could cover consensual sex. Don't just parrot numbers you read in feminists literature. Rape is a serious crime; don't diminish its significance or the extent of its harm by claiming that there are nearly a hundred million rape victims in America (which invites people to ask, "Why aren't all those victims in counseling? Is rape really a crime whose victims need counseling?").
    - king_jester 14y ago
      > That is a number that came from one study, from the 1980s, which was conducted by a feminist, and which includes attempted attacks. Upon reading your comment, I went back to look for original source material. You are right, I could not find a source or even mention or that fact. Instead, I found citations for studies that show 1 in 4 women will experience a sexual assault (not just rape) during an academic career, or that 1 in 4 women will experience sexual violence from a partner in their lifetime, or that 1 in 6 American women have been the victim or an attempted or completed rape in their lifetime. So I do apologize for having the wrong statistic. Also, since when does being a feminist automatically disqualify your study or paper? > Rape is a serious crime; don't diminish its significance or the extent of its harm by claiming that there are nearly a hundred million rape victims in America (which invites people to ask, "Why aren't all those victims in counseling? Is rape really a crime whose victims need counseling?"). There are at least hundreds of thousands of sexual assault survivors in the US, which is horrifying enough. As for what you said about counseling, those kinds of comments are one of the more common kinds of derailment people trot out and you and I both know is there is a large number of reasons why any person is not in counseling (for anything, really): cost, stigma, lack of access to counseling services, etc. In any case, OPs paranoia about being castrated by angry feminists is laughable and spreads FUD about feminism, esp. in regard to what rad fems consider feminism to be.
  - klibertp 14y ago
    Ignoring the exact percentage you discuss below (I don't care if it's 1-in-4 or 1-in-50 - it's still too damn much!) do you happen to know a) what are the long term trends worldwide for this statistic and b) where in the world this number is the lowest (and maybe: why, but I don't think this has an easy answer)?
    - betterunix 14y ago
      "do you happen to know a) what are the long term trends worldwide for this statistic and b) where in the world this number is the lowest (and maybe: why, but I don't think this has an easy answer)?" I wish I did, but I do not. As far as I know, the UN collects statistics that are based on police records, which are notoriously unreliable when it comes to rape, and I am not even sure how one could gather reliable statistics in places where victims are literally blamed for being raped (incredibly, such places exist). If someone wants to point out other sources, please do. What I can say, which is relevant to (b), is where the highest number of rapes is occurring: Central Africa. In Congo, rape is being used as a military tactic and that is just the beginning of the sexual violence there; despite an official end to the war, the fighting has not really ended, and it is now being carried about by militias that have loose affiliations with various governments and rebel groups in the region. Consider yourself fortunate that you do not live there, and think about that fact every time you buy a mobile phone (for more info, take a look at Steve Jobs' statements on tantalum).