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Great, I'm happy to be a nail in the coffin of the signal advocacy. Remember how everyone jumped on Google when they promised to do no evil? Now they're one of

Great, I'm happy to be a nail in the coffin of the signal advocacy. Remember how everyone jumped on Google when they promised to do no evil? Now they're one of the most abundant mass surveillance companies in the world and we can't move away because they're too big to fail. The same with WhatsApp. People jumped on it because it was good, then nobody left when meta bought it because all their friends were on it. Signal is one sale away from being evil too. They might not sell it but we've been conned so many times by big tech that I will only take technical guarantees, not promises that can be broken. We have to avoid getting locked in again. And really, lots of progress is made in real open communications. Matrix is getting more mature by the day. NATO uses it, the French government and several others. And the good thing is, you can always run your own server and connect to the hive. Nobody can tell you what to do, nobody can tell you to surveil your users like the EU is planning to do. We need something truly open. Not a WhatsApp light.

mmooss 4d ago
Signal is a small organization and nothing like Google. Signal is a non-profit and their code is open source.
- wolvoleo 3d ago
  Their code is open source but you can't really do anything with that. You can't run your own server on the network, and they've previously stated they don't want third party implementations of clients. Again, I don't trust promises anymore. Eventually they're going to need more money and that money will come with strings attached. If some org like Matrix would get bought people would just decouple themselves from their network. With Signal we can't do that because they are the only operator.
  - mmooss 3d ago
    > Their code is open source but you can't really do anything with that. You can't run your own server on the network, and they've previously stated they don't want third party implementations of clients. There are third-party forks and clients. Parts of the US government use one. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49678919 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49678919 Also, you can audit the code.

mmooss 4d ago

Signal is a small organization and nothing like Google. Signal is a non-profit and their code is open source.

wolvoleo 3d ago
Their code is open source but you can't really do anything with that. You can't run your own server on the network, and they've previously stated they don't want third party implementations of clients. Again, I don't trust promises anymore. Eventually they're going to need more money and that money will come with strings attached. If some org like Matrix would get bought people would just decouple themselves from their network. With Signal we can't do that because they are the only operator.
- mmooss 3d ago
  > Their code is open source but you can't really do anything with that. You can't run your own server on the network, and they've previously stated they don't want third party implementations of clients. There are third-party forks and clients. Parts of the US government use one. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49678919 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49678919 Also, you can audit the code.