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>The human in your analogy would be better off working with animals on a farm, or vet practice, where the technological advances that deliver better care to ani

>The human in your analogy would be better off working with animals on a farm, or vet practice, where the technological advances that deliver better care to animals would make them feel even more fulfilled. Yes. And instead they are stuck in the role of slop doula, unable to afford the luxury of being able to perform a furfilling role in society.

properbrew 3d ago
But what if they no longer have to "tolerate mucking out the stables" and can instead focus on riding. We could go back and forth on the analogy but I think it comes down to one of two things: 1. You enjoy writing code to fix a problem 2. You enjoy fixing problems and solve that by writing code If you're in camp 1 then AI feels extremely unfulfilling and understandably so, for camp 2 it's a whole new world.
- jodrellblank 3d ago
  Now take away the chore of 'focusing on riding'. Genetically or chemically calm the horse so it does not get flustered or moody. Metabolically tweak the horse so it does not get tired or thirsty. Robotically till and smooth the ground so there is nothing to trip over. Notify everyone in the vicinity where the horse is going, so there are no obstacles to avoid. When you can't crash or fall off if you try, when it doesn't matter if you're focusing or not. Maybe dynamically adjust that so you know the AI overlord is pampering you to keep the difficulty 'just right' and this is not a real challenge it's elaborate wireheading. Your point 2 is where my onion metaphor comes in. When you fix a problem you improve a thing. When you fix all the problems you have taken all the life away from living. Maybe that works for what to do today - Ostrich head in the sand and solve problems - within our lifetimes, or even several lifetimes, but if AGI really does spawn and solve all problems immediately the head has to come back up. If AGI never spawns, we might still effectively solve all human-scale problems with the assistance of sub-human AI and brute-force within a surprisingly short time.
- johnnyanmac 3d ago
  > what if they no longer have to "tolerate mucking out the stables" and can instead focus on riding. Then you haven't seen the say to day life of modern western civilization. That's not the reality. People are working more than ever for the worst buying power in a century in a time where the job market is worse tham ever. Recreation in all forms that's not scrolling social media is down, because people can't afford it. >We could go back and forth on the analogy but I think it comes down to one of two things: Your two things are completely orthogonal to my comments. This isn't about enjoying your job. It's about not being able to survive on the remaining jobs left (which aren't much).

properbrew 3d ago

But what if they no longer have to "tolerate mucking out the stables" and can instead focus on riding. We could go back and forth on the analogy but I think it comes down to one of two things: 1. You enjoy writing code to fix a problem 2. You enjoy fixing problems and solve that by writing code If you're in camp 1 then AI feels extremely unfulfilling and understandably so, for camp 2 it's a whole new world.

jodrellblank 3d ago
Now take away the chore of 'focusing on riding'. Genetically or chemically calm the horse so it does not get flustered or moody. Metabolically tweak the horse so it does not get tired or thirsty. Robotically till and smooth the ground so there is nothing to trip over. Notify everyone in the vicinity where the horse is going, so there are no obstacles to avoid. When you can't crash or fall off if you try, when it doesn't matter if you're focusing or not. Maybe dynamically adjust that so you know the AI overlord is pampering you to keep the difficulty 'just right' and this is not a real challenge it's elaborate wireheading. Your point 2 is where my onion metaphor comes in. When you fix a problem you improve a thing. When you fix all the problems you have taken all the life away from living. Maybe that works for what to do today - Ostrich head in the sand and solve problems - within our lifetimes, or even several lifetimes, but if AGI really does spawn and solve all problems immediately the head has to come back up. If AGI never spawns, we might still effectively solve all human-scale problems with the assistance of sub-human AI and brute-force within a surprisingly short time.
johnnyanmac 3d ago
> what if they no longer have to "tolerate mucking out the stables" and can instead focus on riding. Then you haven't seen the say to day life of modern western civilization. That's not the reality. People are working more than ever for the worst buying power in a century in a time where the job market is worse tham ever. Recreation in all forms that's not scrolling social media is down, because people can't afford it. >We could go back and forth on the analogy but I think it comes down to one of two things: Your two things are completely orthogonal to my comments. This isn't about enjoying your job. It's about not being able to survive on the remaining jobs left (which aren't much).