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> So they are claiming that ACR is done entirely through audio processing, and no visual data from the screen itself is used? That...doesn't seem plausible. Wr

> So they are claiming that ACR is done entirely through audio processing, and no visual data from the screen itself is used? That...doesn't seem plausible. Wrong. They claim it doesn't record video. Recording means saving permanently - live processing is not recording. ACR is processing the video output live. Notice what they don't say at all. ACR is just one type of spying. A completely separate feature records what you say from the microphone. They only claimed ACR doesn't do that, which we knew. They did not claim the TV doesn't do that. This is a carefully crafted PR statement, to avoid saying any lies while making it sound like the accusation was wrong, but it does not actually say the accusation was wrong. We can infer that the likely reason it doesn't say the accusation was wrong is that the accusation is right. Instead, it says several other things, which sound like they are refuting the accusation but are actually refuting other things that nobody said.

fsuts 4d ago
Exactly, otherwise LG legal would be threatening the authors to publish an apology or be sued.
- a34729t 4d ago
  If they aren't suing they are guilty as hell. Even if they were only most guilty they would sue; their legal dept knows they have no legs to stand on.
thakoppno 3d ago
> processing is not recording Debatable and definitely semantic - at the very least this requires putting the audio into a buffer, so a newly mallocd block of memory. Sure, it’s not a recording in a conventional sense, but it is a copy of data.
- mitxela 3d ago
  This is such a programmer view. No lawyer would think that a graphic equaliser records audio.
  - mafuy 3d ago
    You'll be delighted to learn that this exact reasoning had, in fact, been used by the copyright industry against (illegal) movie streaming websites. If I remember correctly, this was in Germany and was, after a relatively short time, no longer accepted by the courts.
hedora 3d ago
Read it more carefully. They are claiming three things: 1) that the speaker (the electromagnet and cone) is not processing any video data, and that it is not performing any analysis of the audio data. 2) All the data the speaker gets is processed by an ``ACR'' processor. 3) The ACR's audio fingerprinting algorithm does not use video data. It says nothing about whether the ACR fingerprints or sends other data, or if there is a "VCR" or some other chip that separately processes the video. It definitely doesn't say anything about the processing done on the server side, whether they can sell residential proxy access, etc, etc. At least my TCL TV has a physical switch to disable the microphone (and has never seen the internet, of course). It complains the switch is off at boot every once in a while. There are no complaints about the network unless I accidentally push one of the eight "Google, spy harder!" buttons on the remote.

fsuts 4d ago

Exactly, otherwise LG legal would be threatening the authors to publish an apology or be sued.

a34729t 4d ago
If they aren't suing they are guilty as hell. Even if they were only most guilty they would sue; their legal dept knows they have no legs to stand on.

thakoppno 3d ago

> processing is not recording Debatable and definitely semantic - at the very least this requires putting the audio into a buffer, so a newly mallocd block of memory. Sure, it’s not a recording in a conventional sense, but it is a copy of data.

mitxela 3d ago
This is such a programmer view. No lawyer would think that a graphic equaliser records audio.
- mafuy 3d ago
  You'll be delighted to learn that this exact reasoning had, in fact, been used by the copyright industry against (illegal) movie streaming websites. If I remember correctly, this was in Germany and was, after a relatively short time, no longer accepted by the courts.

hedora 3d ago

Read it more carefully. They are claiming three things: 1) that the speaker (the electromagnet and cone) is not processing any video data, and that it is not performing any analysis of the audio data. 2) All the data the speaker gets is processed by an ``ACR'' processor. 3) The ACR's audio fingerprinting algorithm does not use video data. It says nothing about whether the ACR fingerprints or sends other data, or if there is a "VCR" or some other chip that separately processes the video. It definitely doesn't say anything about the processing done on the server side, whether they can sell residential proxy access, etc, etc. At least my TCL TV has a physical switch to disable the microphone (and has never seen the internet, of course). It complains the switch is off at boot every once in a while. There are no complaints about the network unless I accidentally push one of the eight "Google, spy harder!" buttons on the remote.