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> I must have been unclear. My point is 3. Okay, in that case you're still being irrational and illogical, expecting people to go to the slaughterhouse quietly

> I must have been unclear. My point is 3. Okay, in that case you're still being irrational and illogical, expecting people to go to the slaughterhouse quietly. Of course they are going to protest. Whether it makes a difference because some competitor on the other side of the globe could theoretically do the same thing is irrelevant - people on the way to the slaughterhouse will not go quietly.

pingou 4d ago
Oh it is understandable that they are pissed and protesting, I'm not surprised they do, nothing is illogical there when you know human nature and people emotional state. I'd be pissed too. I am pissed too, as a programmer that has his job done more and more by AI. However it seems to me that you are the illogical one, or perhaps we are having a different conversation, you talking about their feelings, and me talking about the consequences of their choices. There are two choices, go to the slaughterhouse (probably losing your job due to inability to compete internationally and getting nothing in return), or take the different option, which is less bad, and might even be good (probably losing your job and potentially getting money without even working). Isn't it illogical to choose the slaughterhouse?
- lelanthran 3d ago
  > There are two choices, go to the slaughterhouse (probably losing your job due to inability to compete internationally and getting nothing in return), or take the different option, which is less bad, and might even be good (probably losing your job and potentially getting money without even working). In both choices they are getting nothing in return, nor have they even been promised anything in return. I mean, if they had been promised something in return, I can understand your PoV, but there are no promises that going to the slaughterhouse for the local companies gets them something in return.
  - pingou 3d ago
    Indeed nobody has promised them anything, but it seems obvious to me that it's better that the technology that is gonna take your job is controlled by your own country rather than by another country, one that isn't even particularly friendly to you. I don't think there are a lot of countries that are happy that they are not the US nor China so that they don't have to deal with AI. Some of their population perhaps is, for now. But most would love to be able to catch up.

pingou 4d ago

Oh it is understandable that they are pissed and protesting, I'm not surprised they do, nothing is illogical there when you know human nature and people emotional state. I'd be pissed too. I am pissed too, as a programmer that has his job done more and more by AI. However it seems to me that you are the illogical one, or perhaps we are having a different conversation, you talking about their feelings, and me talking about the consequences of their choices. There are two choices, go to the slaughterhouse (probably losing your job due to inability to compete internationally and getting nothing in return), or take the different option, which is less bad, and might even be good (probably losing your job and potentially getting money without even working). Isn't it illogical to choose the slaughterhouse?

lelanthran 3d ago
> There are two choices, go to the slaughterhouse (probably losing your job due to inability to compete internationally and getting nothing in return), or take the different option, which is less bad, and might even be good (probably losing your job and potentially getting money without even working). In both choices they are getting nothing in return, nor have they even been promised anything in return. I mean, if they had been promised something in return, I can understand your PoV, but there are no promises that going to the slaughterhouse for the local companies gets them something in return.
- pingou 3d ago
  Indeed nobody has promised them anything, but it seems obvious to me that it's better that the technology that is gonna take your job is controlled by your own country rather than by another country, one that isn't even particularly friendly to you. I don't think there are a lot of countries that are happy that they are not the US nor China so that they don't have to deal with AI. Some of their population perhaps is, for now. But most would love to be able to catch up.