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> Seriously, it's seriously freakin' difficult to get pandas to reproduce in captivity It is impossible, and has been tried many times by many people, to repro

> Seriously, it's seriously freakin' difficult to get pandas to reproduce in captivity It is impossible, and has been tried many times by many people, to reproduce Octopus vulgari in captivity. Their reproductive behaviour looks also quite weird for us (the mother always die). Yet they thrive in the wild unless over fished.

Grimblewald 5d ago
because breeding intelligent creatures generally requires keeping them happy. When treated like a farm aniaml, many high cognition anaimals will refuse to reproduce, just look at how bad life has become for average humans, and predictably, humans are starting to refuse to reproduce.
- parineum 5d ago
  Birth rates fall as prosperity increases.
  - barrenko 5d ago
    Whatever this is, it's not prosperity.
    - parineum 5d ago
      What other countries have you visited?
  - mitxela 5d ago
    GDP doesn't measure prosperity.
    - avadodin 5d ago
      Prosperity doesn't measure happiness.
  - Grimblewald 4d ago
    to replacement, we're rapidly falling below. distributuon and related trends are extremely grim.
- rmunn 5d ago
  That's more true in some locations than in others. There are places where the reported quality of life is quite a bit higher than others. I see comments like yours a lot on HN, and I'm starting to suspect that the average HN commenter is more likely to be living in some of the poorly-run big cities than in the better-run small-to-medium-sized towns. (Specifics can, and will vary. But on average I've found I'm much happier living in a medium-sized town than in a megacity, and I've also found the city governments of medium-sized towns to be more likely to be competent. Perhaps I've just been lucky in the medium towns I've lived in, though; I'd need far more data before I was certain of the thesis). Point is, if you're miserable in the place where you are, consider whether moving to a different town is feasible for you. It's not always an option for many people, for many varied reasons. But it's definitely something to consider. If it turns out you can do it, sometimes taking that risk can pay off in the long run.
  - Grimblewald 4d ago
    yes? im not sure what your point is, i sense you seem to disagree, but what youve said supports what ive said so im not sure how to engage.
- otherme123 4d ago
  My point was that "captivity reproduction" should not be a key point in the viability of a specie. Octopus can live in captivity (albeit stressed!), but for some reason their larva don't survive. Do they deserve to go extinct for that? They were able to survive for 500 million years, through some massive extinctions, looks good enough to me.

Grimblewald 5d ago

because breeding intelligent creatures generally requires keeping them happy. When treated like a farm aniaml, many high cognition anaimals will refuse to reproduce, just look at how bad life has become for average humans, and predictably, humans are starting to refuse to reproduce.

parineum 5d ago
Birth rates fall as prosperity increases.
- barrenko 5d ago
  Whatever this is, it's not prosperity.
  - parineum 5d ago
    What other countries have you visited?
- mitxela 5d ago
  GDP doesn't measure prosperity.
  - avadodin 5d ago
    Prosperity doesn't measure happiness.
- Grimblewald 4d ago
  to replacement, we're rapidly falling below. distributuon and related trends are extremely grim.
rmunn 5d ago
That's more true in some locations than in others. There are places where the reported quality of life is quite a bit higher than others. I see comments like yours a lot on HN, and I'm starting to suspect that the average HN commenter is more likely to be living in some of the poorly-run big cities than in the better-run small-to-medium-sized towns. (Specifics can, and will vary. But on average I've found I'm much happier living in a medium-sized town than in a megacity, and I've also found the city governments of medium-sized towns to be more likely to be competent. Perhaps I've just been lucky in the medium towns I've lived in, though; I'd need far more data before I was certain of the thesis). Point is, if you're miserable in the place where you are, consider whether moving to a different town is feasible for you. It's not always an option for many people, for many varied reasons. But it's definitely something to consider. If it turns out you can do it, sometimes taking that risk can pay off in the long run.
- Grimblewald 4d ago
  yes? im not sure what your point is, i sense you seem to disagree, but what youve said supports what ive said so im not sure how to engage.
otherme123 4d ago
My point was that "captivity reproduction" should not be a key point in the viability of a specie. Octopus can live in captivity (albeit stressed!), but for some reason their larva don't survive. Do they deserve to go extinct for that? They were able to survive for 500 million years, through some massive extinctions, looks good enough to me.