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>I do enjoy using their free AI It's really not free. You're paying with your data.

• unkeen 5d ago
  Worse - We all are paying with our planet.
  • socalgal2 5d ago
    what is that not true of? HN and your post on it is paying with our planet
    • rcMgD2BwE72F 5d ago
      Everything uses energy. AI is uniquely bad due to its scale. Comparing AI inference and training with posting a one-line comment on a website is like comparing wildfires with candles because they both produce heat. It's true but useless as an argument.
      • socalgal2 5d ago
        Complaining about AI is just a meme. There are tons of things that use way more energy for arguably way less utility to humans.
        • sumanep 4d ago
          AI was not even a thing a few years ago so almost anything that use more energy than AI is probably far more useful
• exe34 5d ago
  I have an android phone, they already have my data.
  • npoc 5d ago
    So have I, but they don't have any of my data.
    • dotancohen 5d ago
      Me too. I don't connect my phone to my Google account. I understand that the Play store is enticing, but there are other options. Some of which are actually better.
• makeitdouble 5d ago
  People have this fixation on privacy, when there's so much more going on, potentially way mor important. Google's strong position in AI gives them bragging right to attract more companies and get them to actually pay, subsidizing your use. It also lowers competitors position as you're not touching them while we're on Gemini. It also fortifies their position in the future ad market. Being second or third in AI usage is worth a lot, one's private data matters very little in comparison.
  • troupo 5d ago
    > Being second or third in AI usage is worth a lot, one's private data matters very little in comparison. what does this even mean
  • pmontra 5d ago
    It's two totally different matters. I won't be first, second or third in the AI race. I'm not even participating in that race. I don't care who wins. However my private data are mine and I do care about them. It's Google and those other companies that may not care about my privacy, because the AI race is more important to them. If AI is going to cost too much, I will use a cheaper one (Ferrari or FIAT?) or if every AI will cost too much, no AI all and there will be billions of people like me.
    • makeitdouble 5d ago
      > You're paying with your data. Parent was pointing at the value exchange, and I argued that users' privacy is not the currency Google deals with. Your privacy can be valuable to you, it just has no weight on the exchange.
      • pmontra 4d ago
        I agree that "privacy is not the currency Google deals with." However when I run an adblocker and Blockada on Android, when I use alternatives to the YouTube app (and Google is technologically fighting them) when I don't log into Google, then those exchanges happen with very little of the currency Google is interested in.
• Terr_ 5d ago
  Plus soon we'll be paying based on secret parasocial influencing agendas. It's now possible to put a complex spin/bias on whatever the system shows (or whatever it chooses to bury) in a really easy and scalable way. Ex: Dairy Association pays, and suddenly results about bones are just a bit more likely to show something about the importance of calcium that many people get from milk. Fraternal Order of Police gets involved, and now "shot by police" everywhere gradually morphs into "was in an officer-involved shooting". ... And of course "Google making it harder to see URLs" becomes "Google taking bold steps against evil scrapers."