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In what way does their lack of traffic resilience demonstrate a counter to their position? Their position is not that load balancers and edge nodes are bad. If

by devmor 5d ago

In what way does their lack of traffic resilience demonstrate a counter to their position? Their position is not that load balancers and edge nodes are bad. If I say I hate oversized trucks because one ran me over, my position is not countered by needing someone to deliver my couch.

llm_nerd 5d ago
> In what way does their lack of traffic resilience demonstrate a counter to their position? When 99.999% of sites utilize Cloudflare for "traffic resilience", as a caching facade that even happens to be geolocated to clients for even more benefit, falling over on exactly that issue kind of obliterates the sales pitch. Every single reasonable person on the planet sees that. It looks farcically silly, regardless of whatever points it makes or however much I agree with them (yes, CF centralization is bad, it's a company with a mixed history and a lot of bad, it basically has a monopoly now, etc). And yes, there are other CDNs and load balancers and solutions. But presumably someone pushing a position on this has the problem solved beforehand, no? As to your poor analogy, it's more akin to saying that you hate trucks while trying to drag a couch seven miles from the store.
- devmor 5d ago
  I am beginning to think you did not read anything in the posted link and just imagined what you think it's about. Your comments do not make any sense. > As to your poor analogy, it's more akin to saying that you hate trucks while trying to drag a couch seven miles from the store. Now that is a poor analogy. A website that functions 99.999% of the time but struggles under being frontpaged by HN is not akin to "dragging a couch seven miles from the store".
  - llm_nerd 5d ago
    Is this performance art? Utterly bizarre that you continue to state the same insanely detached nonsense that I directly and overtly addressed. It actually doesn't matter what the linked site says about Cloudflare, which I made abundantly clear in my root post. People use Cloudflare for a given reason, and this site failed for exactly that reason, so when the root post whines and mopes about everyone pointing out the ironic failure of the site -- desperately clutching their pearls because people aren't getting in on their holy war -- well, it falls a little flat. It makes for a very weak message. Nothing else matters if they couldn't show some fundamental, basic level of competency at precisely the thing that Cloudflare shines at. Now I know you're going to post another asinine waste of bits about how in the linked site he said something or other, laughably demonstrate that you're just a weird zealot. Go nuts. I'm done with you.
    - devmor 4d ago
      > It actually doesn't matter what the linked site says about Cloudflare It does, when you said, and I quote: > If you're advocating a position but then demonstrate exactly the thing that counters your position To counter a position, the position matters. I don't know how to make that any more clear. I do not even agree with the OP, your statements are just utterly deranged.

by devmor 5d ago

llm_nerd 5d ago

> In what way does their lack of traffic resilience demonstrate a counter to their position? When 99.999% of sites utilize Cloudflare for "traffic resilience", as a caching facade that even happens to be geolocated to clients for even more benefit, falling over on exactly that issue kind of obliterates the sales pitch. Every single reasonable person on the planet sees that. It looks farcically silly, regardless of whatever points it makes or however much I agree with them (yes, CF centralization is bad, it's a company with a mixed history and a lot of bad, it basically has a monopoly now, etc). And yes, there are other CDNs and load balancers and solutions. But presumably someone pushing a position on this has the problem solved beforehand, no? As to your poor analogy, it's more akin to saying that you hate trucks while trying to drag a couch seven miles from the store.

devmor 5d ago
I am beginning to think you did not read anything in the posted link and just imagined what you think it's about. Your comments do not make any sense. > As to your poor analogy, it's more akin to saying that you hate trucks while trying to drag a couch seven miles from the store. Now that is a poor analogy. A website that functions 99.999% of the time but struggles under being frontpaged by HN is not akin to "dragging a couch seven miles from the store".
- llm_nerd 5d ago
  Is this performance art? Utterly bizarre that you continue to state the same insanely detached nonsense that I directly and overtly addressed. It actually doesn't matter what the linked site says about Cloudflare, which I made abundantly clear in my root post. People use Cloudflare for a given reason, and this site failed for exactly that reason, so when the root post whines and mopes about everyone pointing out the ironic failure of the site -- desperately clutching their pearls because people aren't getting in on their holy war -- well, it falls a little flat. It makes for a very weak message. Nothing else matters if they couldn't show some fundamental, basic level of competency at precisely the thing that Cloudflare shines at. Now I know you're going to post another asinine waste of bits about how in the linked site he said something or other, laughably demonstrate that you're just a weird zealot. Go nuts. I'm done with you.
  - devmor 4d ago
    > It actually doesn't matter what the linked site says about Cloudflare It does, when you said, and I quote: > If you're advocating a position but then demonstrate exactly the thing that counters your position To counter a position, the position matters. I don't know how to make that any more clear. I do not even agree with the OP, your statements are just utterly deranged.