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Or, they stop doing things that enrage millions of people and the protests go away. They don’t need protection from their actions at everyone’s privacy expense,

Or, they stop doing things that enrage millions of people and the protests go away. They don’t need protection from their actions at everyone’s privacy expense, they need to face the people and adjust their actions until that’s something they’re willing to do.

SR2Z 5d ago
Many people have to make unpopular decisions because society needs them to. Would you say the same thing about, say, a politician raising gas taxes? What about a ridehailing app that displaces a taxi cartel with a long track record of being awful for consumers? A world where people are not free to do unpopular things without being torn to shreds by angry mobs seems deeply impoverished to me. "The people" at one point supported slavery, racism, etc., etc. Is AI like any of those? Probably not, but the same principles apply. The law is a much better option than mob rule, and tracking protests is hardly a violation of anyone's rights.
- laimewhisps 5d ago
  Yes, if you want power you should also face the downside of misusing it (which these people are). I would love to see these protests brought to the offices and homes of the CEOs.
  - SR2Z 4d ago
    If your take is "terrorizing people for making unpopular decisions is good" then you are not a serious person. Protesting is fine, harassment is not, and protesting outside someone's home is most certainly harassment. I am confident that you would find a protest outside your home about you to be terrifying. Any sane person would. It's not acceptable and is not protected by the first amendment.
    - laimewhisps 4d ago
      I don't do things that would make people protest outside my house. These people did, and while you may not think I'm a "serious person", you're going to find that society is going in this direction due to the flagrant abuse coming from those in power. Do you not know about the French revolution?
      - SR2Z 4d ago
        If you do things which impact a large number of people, you will inevitably piss some of them off. > Do you not know about the French revolution? The main losers in the French revolution were regular people, and the country ended up under a totalitarian dictator who conquered large swathes of Europe and invented the concept of total war. I'm not sure you should be holding it up as an example of protests (which were astonishingly violent in this case) leading to good and reasonable outcomes.
        laimewhisps 4d ago
        If you do things that impact a large number of people, you should definitely feel the consequence of your actions. No one is forced into these positions, in fact they work very hard to acquire power over others. That should come with very real downsides. Regardless of whether you think the French revolution was good or not, it was the inevitable outcome of a very similar situation we find ourselves in.

SR2Z 5d ago

Many people have to make unpopular decisions because society needs them to. Would you say the same thing about, say, a politician raising gas taxes? What about a ridehailing app that displaces a taxi cartel with a long track record of being awful for consumers? A world where people are not free to do unpopular things without being torn to shreds by angry mobs seems deeply impoverished to me. "The people" at one point supported slavery, racism, etc., etc. Is AI like any of those? Probably not, but the same principles apply. The law is a much better option than mob rule, and tracking protests is hardly a violation of anyone's rights.

laimewhisps 5d ago
Yes, if you want power you should also face the downside of misusing it (which these people are). I would love to see these protests brought to the offices and homes of the CEOs.
- SR2Z 4d ago
  If your take is "terrorizing people for making unpopular decisions is good" then you are not a serious person. Protesting is fine, harassment is not, and protesting outside someone's home is most certainly harassment. I am confident that you would find a protest outside your home about you to be terrifying. Any sane person would. It's not acceptable and is not protected by the first amendment.
  - laimewhisps 4d ago
    I don't do things that would make people protest outside my house. These people did, and while you may not think I'm a "serious person", you're going to find that society is going in this direction due to the flagrant abuse coming from those in power. Do you not know about the French revolution?
    - SR2Z 4d ago
      If you do things which impact a large number of people, you will inevitably piss some of them off. > Do you not know about the French revolution? The main losers in the French revolution were regular people, and the country ended up under a totalitarian dictator who conquered large swathes of Europe and invented the concept of total war. I'm not sure you should be holding it up as an example of protests (which were astonishingly violent in this case) leading to good and reasonable outcomes.
      - laimewhisps 4d ago
        If you do things that impact a large number of people, you should definitely feel the consequence of your actions. No one is forced into these positions, in fact they work very hard to acquire power over others. That should come with very real downsides. Regardless of whether you think the French revolution was good or not, it was the inevitable outcome of a very similar situation we find ourselves in.