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> Fixing this broken language and attitude is a step towards ending these deaths. Is it? The person you responded to sees car crashes as an important issue to

> Fixing this broken language and attitude is a step towards ending these deaths. Is it? The person you responded to sees car crashes as an important issue to solve yet still calls it "car accidents". So maybe it's not that important after all. Nothing makes me saltier than language policing; I'd say fixing _that_ broken language is more of a step towards fixing issues than the actual language itself.

globular-toast 5d ago
It's not about language, it's about culture. If you saw someone running through a crowd with a knife you'd expect them to be thrown in prison. But someone speeding through a neighborhood? Or dangerously overtaking a cyclist? No bother. If the person running with the knife hurt someone they'd be a murderer. But the car? Oh, it was just an accident.
- kulahan 5d ago
  You think they were doing it on purpose every time someone is in an accident, or you think every time someone says "accident", they're referring to or you're purposely missing the nuance to make a point nobody agrees with, or you think that people in general are not annoyed when someone drives recklessly? If it's the first, I dunno - you're wrong. People aren't. If it's the second, aside from insurance fraud, nobody is trying to fuck up their day and lose a functional car in the process, maybe getting seriously injured. If it's the third, you're just being annoying and nobody will take your point seriously if you can't make it more saliently. If it's the last, go check out reddit. There are at least half a dozen subs where people post bad drivers and everyone in the comments is collectively grumbling.
  - throw0101a 5d ago
    Are they plane crashes or plane accidents? (Replace "(air)plane" with "car".)
    - kulahan 4d ago
      Accidents. The aviation industry is the worst example you could use. Every single time, the goal is to find the issue, NOT the blame. The industry is insanely safe in large part BECAUSE they refuse to frame it as a crash, and instead frame it like an accident.
      - globular-toast 3d ago
        But if there is blame, pilots will never fly again. They don't receive a slap on the wrist and an "oh, you".
  - qmr 4d ago
    There is a strong push in many sectors to stop using the word accident, so your assertion that this is a point no one agrees with is false.
    - kulahan 4d ago
      Oh, you think I was being literal

globular-toast 5d ago

It's not about language, it's about culture. If you saw someone running through a crowd with a knife you'd expect them to be thrown in prison. But someone speeding through a neighborhood? Or dangerously overtaking a cyclist? No bother. If the person running with the knife hurt someone they'd be a murderer. But the car? Oh, it was just an accident.

kulahan 5d ago
You think they were doing it on purpose every time someone is in an accident, or you think every time someone says "accident", they're referring to or you're purposely missing the nuance to make a point nobody agrees with, or you think that people in general are not annoyed when someone drives recklessly? If it's the first, I dunno - you're wrong. People aren't. If it's the second, aside from insurance fraud, nobody is trying to fuck up their day and lose a functional car in the process, maybe getting seriously injured. If it's the third, you're just being annoying and nobody will take your point seriously if you can't make it more saliently. If it's the last, go check out reddit. There are at least half a dozen subs where people post bad drivers and everyone in the comments is collectively grumbling.
- throw0101a 5d ago
  Are they plane crashes or plane accidents? (Replace "(air)plane" with "car".)
  - kulahan 4d ago
    Accidents. The aviation industry is the worst example you could use. Every single time, the goal is to find the issue, NOT the blame. The industry is insanely safe in large part BECAUSE they refuse to frame it as a crash, and instead frame it like an accident.
    - globular-toast 3d ago
      But if there is blame, pilots will never fly again. They don't receive a slap on the wrist and an "oh, you".
- qmr 4d ago
  There is a strong push in many sectors to stop using the word accident, so your assertion that this is a point no one agrees with is false.
  - kulahan 4d ago
    Oh, you think I was being literal