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I was living in Hong Kong when the protests first started and stayed through the entire 2019 year. First, the vast majority of the locals hated the protests an

I was living in Hong Kong when the protests first started and stayed through the entire 2019 year. First, the vast majority of the locals hated the protests and didn't support them. This isn't reported by the western media. The media reported it as all HK people were being wronged. Second, most of the protests were done by young people who lost hope in Hong Kong's ultra expensive housing and ultra stressful life. They live in tiny studio sized apartments with the entire family. Buying a home was out of reach for most young HK people unless they have financial help from parents. This was a key trigger in why the youth were protesting.[0][1][2] Again, this was never reported or mentioned by western media. Zoom out 10,000ft and the HK protests and Occupy Wallstreet protests aren't really all that different. Young people felt hopeless economically. Third, Joshua Wong went to foreign governments and invited them to help him against China. Hong Kong belongs to China if you forgot. This is considered treason in just about any country. Imagine if BLM protestors physically went to China's CIA equivalent to ask them for help against the US government. [0]https://johnmenadue.com/post/2021/04/hong-kongs-housing-crisis-an-underlying-factor-in-the-2019-riots/ https://johnmenadue.com/post/2021/04/hong-kongs-housing-cris... [1]https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2019/8/11/a-lack-of-affordable-housing-feeds-hong-kongs-discontent https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2019/8/11/a-lack-of-afford... [2]https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ejsp.70001 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ejsp.70001

lenerdenator 5d ago
> Hong Kong belongs to China if you forgot If that's not a healthy attitude to take towards a territorial possession, I don't know what is.
- garou 5d ago
  ICE is so healthy…
  - lenerdenator 5d ago
    You're right. Violent authoritarian thugs are bad. There should be systems in place to sweep them away. Ideally, through peaceful means. I'd be interested to see what has been implemented with regard to this under the stewardship of the CCP.
    - garou 5d ago
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- KaiserPro 5d ago
  China belongs to Taiwan if you want to go down that route.
netsharc 5d ago
A lot of Chinese do have a policy of "as long as we're comfortable (economically, etc), we'll let the government do whatever they want.", some justifying it by saying "society needs their government to be a strict parent". It does seem most widespread revolutions only happen when the discomfort grows big enough (as the saying (1) goes, "civilisation is n missed meals away from anarchy" (n = a number below 10, I thought 3, but it's 9)). It's interesting though, the CCP does chicken out. The last time that I remember this happening is when enough citizens in Beijing protested against their prison-like Covid restrictions, that they relaxed it within a day or two. Same thing with Russians and the war: 2). Heck, Americans are anguishing but most are too comfortable/don't want to go through the discomfort to actually do anything against the rising fascism in their country. 1) https://quoteinvestigator.com/2022/05/02/nine-meals/ https://quoteinvestigator.com/2022/05/02/nine-meals/ 2) https://www.rand.org/pubs/commentary/2022/06/war-of-the-worlds-how-cognitive-dissonance-and-repression.html https://www.rand.org/pubs/commentary/2022/06/war-of-the-worl...
- ii41 5d ago
  A lot of Americans do have a policy of "as long as we're comfortable (economically, etc), we'll let the government do whatever they want.", some justifying it by saying "they're doing it for the Middle Eastern people's freedom!"
  - sajithdilshan 5d ago
    Or to spread democracy across the world and to protect human rights…
  - netsharc 5d ago
    Feels like you wrote this without reading my comment to the end, where I do point out with Americans it's not much different.
    - ii41 5d ago
      Well, sorry but not really sorry for that. We all know that literature aka the art of conveying something regardless of what that thing is is an art. We all need to take responsibility for not only what we say but also how we say it.
rayiner 5d ago
> First, the vast majority of the locals hated the protests and didn't support them. This isn't reported by the western media. The media reported it as all HK people were being wronged. Not everyone is an American, and that's fine. Asians--on average--just care more that things "just work" than having more freedom to faff around. It's like Apple users versus Linux users. The Chinese government is a good government for the things that most Chinese people actually care about: economic development, building infrastructure, keeping trains running, etc. At the end of the day, most Chinese people in Hong Kong aren't missing the political freedoms that Americans would miss in their shoes, and value the things they do have that the government is good at.
- Sabinus 4d ago
  The way you've talked about the average Asian it seems like you're describing a cultural predisposition but representing it as a racial one. And it's easy to see why HK citizens would have cultural preferences towards independent legal systems and political freedom. Their 'being Asian' is independent of this.
kurtis_reed 5d ago
> the vast majority of the locals hated the protests and didn't support them Totally false
rwarfield 5d ago
I was there too. It's just absolutely false that "a vast majority of the locals hated the protests". See for example the contemporaneous polling done by Reuters below - 59% of the population supported the protests at the end of 2019 and 30% had participated [1]. There was also a District Council election in November 2019 in which the establishment (pro-government) parties were utterly wiped out [2]. To your second point, HK's housing situation is an unmitigated disaster that undoubtedly contributed to the overall atmosphere of discontent with the government, but it was not a proximate cause of the protests. To your third point, merely going to a foreign government and asking them to put pressure on your home government would not remotely reach the bar for a treason conviction in the U.S. This idea that what Joshua Wong and Jimmy Lai did would be considered sedition or treason in Western democracies is something that everyone in China seems to "know" that just isn't so. [1] https://www.reuters.com/article/world/exclusive-hong-kongers-support-protester-demands-minority-wants-independence-f-idUSKBN1YZ0VI/ https://www.reuters.com/article/world/exclusive-hong-kongers... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Hong_Kong_local_elections https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Hong_Kong_local_elections
- maxglute 5d ago
  >put pressure on your home government They literally petitioned US gov to sanction HK politicians, and drew up lists, which US did. That's treasonous/seditious bullet to the back of the head activity. Also let's not pretend Reuters / western media polling on HK under Mike Pompeo legitimate. Lets not pretend any west reporting on HK was/is legitimate.
  - rwarfield 5d ago
    > That's treasonous/seditious bullet to the back of the head activity. Evidence please. You're unintentionally illustrating my point here. > Also let's not pretend Reuters / western media polling on HK under Mike Pompeo legitimate The polling was conducted by the Hong Kong Public Opinion Research Institute at the University of Hong Kong. Do you think Mike Pompeo infiltrated the District Council elections too?
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sajithdilshan 5d ago
The housing prices are sky high in HK because of artificial zoning and regulations, not because of geographical limitations. There are vast empty spaces that can be used for housing in HK, but the elites/politicians wouldn’t allow buildings in those areas because that would result in a collapse of real estate values and ultimately the wealth of elites. What HK need is politicians that works for people and have a spine to go against the elites
- aurareturn 5d ago
  Yes, exactly. See this report: https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/3030209/scapegoats-or-scoundrels-why-ties-between-beijing-and-hong https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/3030209... Basically, it was pent up frustration from the youth over housing controlled by Hong Kong's property tycoons. The extradition law was just the final trigger.
brendyn 5d ago
People aren't property. Hong Kong belongs to Hong Kong people. If you ask a typical Chinese people to explain why Hong Kong or Taiwan belong to China, they will never at any point consider the will of the born and raised there. They will instead blabber on about history how they used to belong to "them", where the delusion of identity leads them to believe something of the past once belonging to someone else, now belongs to them because of this arbitrary "us" and "china". They have no capacity to consider the living breathing humans alive in the current era and attempt to derive from first principles what is best for everyone.
- aurareturn 5d ago
  No one said people are property. Hong Kong people still enjoy disproportionally high quality of life compared to Mainland Chinese people. In fact, they are ranked #14 world wide in GDP PPP per capita.[0] The biggest reason for this is because of China. Hong Kong acts as a financial hub for business between China and the outside world. Can we stop pretending like Hong Kong people are oppressed? [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)...
- maxglute 5d ago
  Land/soil is in fact, property, and HK land belongs to PRC not HKers. HK belongs to all Chinese of which HKers are <1%. HKers simply got privileged arrangement / exclusive access enforced by CCP via limited freedom of movement from mainland and got wealthy off it, but they went full retarded and fucked it up by being treasonous. > used to belong to "them" Not "used" to, legally belongs to PRC/China, under Westphalia / UN law, HK belongs to PRC, TW belongs to One China territory. Liberal World Order idiots have no conception that international law matters when it favors PRC. There is no need to reach for muh history copium when it's plain literal current legal international order is built around HK (and Tibet and XJ) legally belonging to PRC, and TW/PRC part of One China both at UN and PRC/ROC constitutional level. And it is in fact pieces of paper that determines ownership not living breathing humans who come and go. Ultimately self determination doesn't (and shouldn't) factor into sovereignty, but if it just so happens in China's case, the mandate overwhelming favors PRC who has 98% of consensus. What is best for everyone is 1400m mainlanders vs 40m greater China.
msabalau 5d ago
It's well reported matter public record that hundreds of thousands people protested, daily. And it's trivial to find polling that showed that about two thirds of Hong Kongers supported the protests, while only a third took your point of view. Just because it is convenient for the CCP to coerce "confessions" about CIA involvement, and it's convenient for willing accomplices to their dishonest and cruel misrule to pretend that this is relevant, no one else needs to take this seriously.
- aurareturn 5d ago
  Reported by who? The famously neutral The Guardian? There were large participation in non-violent protests in the beginning. By the time it got violent, it was almost all just students and the youth protesting. It lasted for almost an entire year.
latent-person 5d ago
Saying a vast majority hated the protests seems like a too strong of a statement. Here are some sources which reports 57% supported [1] and 58.3% supported [2]. It has also been estimated that 36.4% had attended a demonstration against it in August 2019, and a year later 45.6% [3]. This paper directly contradicts your claim it was mainly due to housing [4]. > Our empirical findings suggested that the systematic threat concerning the erosion of the city's values and institutions imposed by the extradition bill was a primary cause of the unprecedented mobilization. [1]https://www.investing.com/news/world-news/exclusive-hong-kongers-support-protester-demands-minority-wants-independence-from-china--reuters-poll-2050369 https://www.investing.com/news/world-news/exclusive-hong-kon... [2]https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-east-asian-studies/article/uncovering-economic-grievances-behind-radical-protests-revisiting-peoples-support-for-the-antiextradition-bill-movement-in-hong-kong/6E20851B0307974BA38CAF9E53BCBA19 https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-east-asia... [3]https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/china-quarterly/article/total-mobilization-from-below-hong-kongs-freedom-summer/92BA12D2EEA5782B4330B0D07B389842 https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/china-quarterly/arti... [4]https://www.proquest.com/docview/2714819043 https://www.proquest.com/docview/2714819043 (On my phone, so some sources are secondary sources).
- aurareturn 5d ago
  A poll conducted for Reuters by an institute whose ex-CEO has historically expressed anti-Beijing and HK pro-succession views and has since moved to UK.[1] Yea, no bias there. Reuters is a British news agency wholly owned by Thomson Reuters[0] Even in that survey, you can clearly see that the locals did not want all the things the protestors/western media wanted. Nevertheless, only 17% expressed support for seeking independence from China, and 20% were opposed to "the current path of one country, two systems" - the arrangement under which Hong Kong is governed by Beijing. Many protesters say Beijing has used its authority under the system to gradually undermine certain freedoms - such as an independent judiciary and freedom of speech - that are supposed to be guaranteed at least until 2047 under the arrangement. The results of the survey, involving 1,021 people and conducted from Dec. 17-20, also showed a large plurality of respondents mainly blamed the Hong Kong government for the crisis, the worst civil unrest to hit the city in decades, rather than the central government in Beijing. This paper directly contradicts your claim it was mainly due to housing [4]. Summarize it? Having lived in Hong Kong and talked to many locals, had local friends, talked to young HKers, no one could convince me that housing wasn't the biggest reason for the pent up frustration that ultimately led to the protests. [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reuters https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reuters [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chung_Kim-wah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chung_Kim-wah
shalmanese 5d ago
We don’t have to rely on polling as the 2019 district elections happened in HK that November and the message was extremely clear that the bulk of the population was pro-protestors and anti-the HK government: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Hong_Kong_local_elections https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Hong_Kong_local_elections > Nearly three million people voted, equivalent to 71 per cent of registered voters, an unprecedented turnout in the electoral history of Hong Kong. The election was widely viewed as a de facto referendum on the concurrent anti-extradition protests.[3] > All pro-Beijing parties suffered major setbacks and losses, including the flagship pro-Beijing party Democratic Alliance for the Betterment and Progress of Hong Kong (DAB), which received its largest defeat in history, losing 96 seats. Executive Councillor Regina Ip's New People's Party failed to obtain a single seat, and was ousted from all District Councils as a result.[4][5] Dozens of prominent pro-Beijing heavyweights lost their campaigns for re-election, including Junius Ho, a controversial anti-protest figure who had expressed support for the triads behind the mob attack in Yuen Long on 21 July.[4][5] > In contrast, the pro-democracy camp in conjunction with the localist camp achieved its biggest landslide victory in the history of Hong Kong, gaining absolute majority in votes and electoral seats in all of the 18 District Councils and tripling their seats from around 124 to about 388.

lenerdenator 5d ago

> Hong Kong belongs to China if you forgot If that's not a healthy attitude to take towards a territorial possession, I don't know what is.

garou 5d ago
ICE is so healthy…
- lenerdenator 5d ago
  You're right. Violent authoritarian thugs are bad. There should be systems in place to sweep them away. Ideally, through peaceful means. I'd be interested to see what has been implemented with regard to this under the stewardship of the CCP.
  - garou 5d ago
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KaiserPro 5d ago
China belongs to Taiwan if you want to go down that route.

netsharc 5d ago

A lot of Chinese do have a policy of "as long as we're comfortable (economically, etc), we'll let the government do whatever they want.", some justifying it by saying "society needs their government to be a strict parent". It does seem most widespread revolutions only happen when the discomfort grows big enough (as the saying (1) goes, "civilisation is n missed meals away from anarchy" (n = a number below 10, I thought 3, but it's 9)). It's interesting though, the CCP does chicken out. The last time that I remember this happening is when enough citizens in Beijing protested against their prison-like Covid restrictions, that they relaxed it within a day or two. Same thing with Russians and the war: 2). Heck, Americans are anguishing but most are too comfortable/don't want to go through the discomfort to actually do anything against the rising fascism in their country. 1) https://quoteinvestigator.com/2022/05/02/nine-meals/ https://quoteinvestigator.com/2022/05/02/nine-meals/ 2) https://www.rand.org/pubs/commentary/2022/06/war-of-the-worlds-how-cognitive-dissonance-and-repression.html https://www.rand.org/pubs/commentary/2022/06/war-of-the-worl...

ii41 5d ago
A lot of Americans do have a policy of "as long as we're comfortable (economically, etc), we'll let the government do whatever they want.", some justifying it by saying "they're doing it for the Middle Eastern people's freedom!"
- sajithdilshan 5d ago
  Or to spread democracy across the world and to protect human rights…
- netsharc 5d ago
  Feels like you wrote this without reading my comment to the end, where I do point out with Americans it's not much different.
  - ii41 5d ago
    Well, sorry but not really sorry for that. We all know that literature aka the art of conveying something regardless of what that thing is is an art. We all need to take responsibility for not only what we say but also how we say it.

rayiner 5d ago

> First, the vast majority of the locals hated the protests and didn't support them. This isn't reported by the western media. The media reported it as all HK people were being wronged. Not everyone is an American, and that's fine. Asians--on average--just care more that things "just work" than having more freedom to faff around. It's like Apple users versus Linux users. The Chinese government is a good government for the things that most Chinese people actually care about: economic development, building infrastructure, keeping trains running, etc. At the end of the day, most Chinese people in Hong Kong aren't missing the political freedoms that Americans would miss in their shoes, and value the things they do have that the government is good at.

Sabinus 4d ago
The way you've talked about the average Asian it seems like you're describing a cultural predisposition but representing it as a racial one. And it's easy to see why HK citizens would have cultural preferences towards independent legal systems and political freedom. Their 'being Asian' is independent of this.

kurtis_reed 5d ago

> the vast majority of the locals hated the protests and didn't support them Totally false

rwarfield 5d ago

I was there too. It's just absolutely false that "a vast majority of the locals hated the protests". See for example the contemporaneous polling done by Reuters below - 59% of the population supported the protests at the end of 2019 and 30% had participated [1]. There was also a District Council election in November 2019 in which the establishment (pro-government) parties were utterly wiped out [2]. To your second point, HK's housing situation is an unmitigated disaster that undoubtedly contributed to the overall atmosphere of discontent with the government, but it was not a proximate cause of the protests. To your third point, merely going to a foreign government and asking them to put pressure on your home government would not remotely reach the bar for a treason conviction in the U.S. This idea that what Joshua Wong and Jimmy Lai did would be considered sedition or treason in Western democracies is something that everyone in China seems to "know" that just isn't so. [1] https://www.reuters.com/article/world/exclusive-hong-kongers-support-protester-demands-minority-wants-independence-f-idUSKBN1YZ0VI/ https://www.reuters.com/article/world/exclusive-hong-kongers... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Hong_Kong_local_elections https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Hong_Kong_local_elections

maxglute 5d ago
>put pressure on your home government They literally petitioned US gov to sanction HK politicians, and drew up lists, which US did. That's treasonous/seditious bullet to the back of the head activity. Also let's not pretend Reuters / western media polling on HK under Mike Pompeo legitimate. Lets not pretend any west reporting on HK was/is legitimate.
- rwarfield 5d ago
  > That's treasonous/seditious bullet to the back of the head activity. Evidence please. You're unintentionally illustrating my point here. > Also let's not pretend Reuters / western media polling on HK under Mike Pompeo legitimate The polling was conducted by the Hong Kong Public Opinion Research Institute at the University of Hong Kong. Do you think Mike Pompeo infiltrated the District Council elections too?
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sajithdilshan 5d ago

The housing prices are sky high in HK because of artificial zoning and regulations, not because of geographical limitations. There are vast empty spaces that can be used for housing in HK, but the elites/politicians wouldn’t allow buildings in those areas because that would result in a collapse of real estate values and ultimately the wealth of elites. What HK need is politicians that works for people and have a spine to go against the elites

aurareturn 5d ago
Yes, exactly. See this report: https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/3030209/scapegoats-or-scoundrels-why-ties-between-beijing-and-hong https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/3030209... Basically, it was pent up frustration from the youth over housing controlled by Hong Kong's property tycoons. The extradition law was just the final trigger.

brendyn 5d ago

People aren't property. Hong Kong belongs to Hong Kong people. If you ask a typical Chinese people to explain why Hong Kong or Taiwan belong to China, they will never at any point consider the will of the born and raised there. They will instead blabber on about history how they used to belong to "them", where the delusion of identity leads them to believe something of the past once belonging to someone else, now belongs to them because of this arbitrary "us" and "china". They have no capacity to consider the living breathing humans alive in the current era and attempt to derive from first principles what is best for everyone.

aurareturn 5d ago
No one said people are property. Hong Kong people still enjoy disproportionally high quality of life compared to Mainland Chinese people. In fact, they are ranked #14 world wide in GDP PPP per capita.[0] The biggest reason for this is because of China. Hong Kong acts as a financial hub for business between China and the outside world. Can we stop pretending like Hong Kong people are oppressed? [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)...
maxglute 5d ago
Land/soil is in fact, property, and HK land belongs to PRC not HKers. HK belongs to all Chinese of which HKers are <1%. HKers simply got privileged arrangement / exclusive access enforced by CCP via limited freedom of movement from mainland and got wealthy off it, but they went full retarded and fucked it up by being treasonous. > used to belong to "them" Not "used" to, legally belongs to PRC/China, under Westphalia / UN law, HK belongs to PRC, TW belongs to One China territory. Liberal World Order idiots have no conception that international law matters when it favors PRC. There is no need to reach for muh history copium when it's plain literal current legal international order is built around HK (and Tibet and XJ) legally belonging to PRC, and TW/PRC part of One China both at UN and PRC/ROC constitutional level. And it is in fact pieces of paper that determines ownership not living breathing humans who come and go. Ultimately self determination doesn't (and shouldn't) factor into sovereignty, but if it just so happens in China's case, the mandate overwhelming favors PRC who has 98% of consensus. What is best for everyone is 1400m mainlanders vs 40m greater China.

msabalau 5d ago

It's well reported matter public record that hundreds of thousands people protested, daily. And it's trivial to find polling that showed that about two thirds of Hong Kongers supported the protests, while only a third took your point of view. Just because it is convenient for the CCP to coerce "confessions" about CIA involvement, and it's convenient for willing accomplices to their dishonest and cruel misrule to pretend that this is relevant, no one else needs to take this seriously.

aurareturn 5d ago
Reported by who? The famously neutral The Guardian? There were large participation in non-violent protests in the beginning. By the time it got violent, it was almost all just students and the youth protesting. It lasted for almost an entire year.

latent-person 5d ago

Saying a vast majority hated the protests seems like a too strong of a statement. Here are some sources which reports 57% supported [1] and 58.3% supported [2]. It has also been estimated that 36.4% had attended a demonstration against it in August 2019, and a year later 45.6% [3]. This paper directly contradicts your claim it was mainly due to housing [4]. > Our empirical findings suggested that the systematic threat concerning the erosion of the city's values and institutions imposed by the extradition bill was a primary cause of the unprecedented mobilization. [1]https://www.investing.com/news/world-news/exclusive-hong-kongers-support-protester-demands-minority-wants-independence-from-china--reuters-poll-2050369 https://www.investing.com/news/world-news/exclusive-hong-kon... [2]https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-east-asian-studies/article/uncovering-economic-grievances-behind-radical-protests-revisiting-peoples-support-for-the-antiextradition-bill-movement-in-hong-kong/6E20851B0307974BA38CAF9E53BCBA19 https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-east-asia... [3]https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/china-quarterly/article/total-mobilization-from-below-hong-kongs-freedom-summer/92BA12D2EEA5782B4330B0D07B389842 https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/china-quarterly/arti... [4]https://www.proquest.com/docview/2714819043 https://www.proquest.com/docview/2714819043 (On my phone, so some sources are secondary sources).

aurareturn 5d ago
A poll conducted for Reuters by an institute whose ex-CEO has historically expressed anti-Beijing and HK pro-succession views and has since moved to UK.[1] Yea, no bias there. Reuters is a British news agency wholly owned by Thomson Reuters[0] Even in that survey, you can clearly see that the locals did not want all the things the protestors/western media wanted. Nevertheless, only 17% expressed support for seeking independence from China, and 20% were opposed to "the current path of one country, two systems" - the arrangement under which Hong Kong is governed by Beijing. Many protesters say Beijing has used its authority under the system to gradually undermine certain freedoms - such as an independent judiciary and freedom of speech - that are supposed to be guaranteed at least until 2047 under the arrangement. The results of the survey, involving 1,021 people and conducted from Dec. 17-20, also showed a large plurality of respondents mainly blamed the Hong Kong government for the crisis, the worst civil unrest to hit the city in decades, rather than the central government in Beijing. This paper directly contradicts your claim it was mainly due to housing [4]. Summarize it? Having lived in Hong Kong and talked to many locals, had local friends, talked to young HKers, no one could convince me that housing wasn't the biggest reason for the pent up frustration that ultimately led to the protests. [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reuters https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reuters [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chung_Kim-wah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chung_Kim-wah

shalmanese 5d ago

We don’t have to rely on polling as the 2019 district elections happened in HK that November and the message was extremely clear that the bulk of the population was pro-protestors and anti-the HK government: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Hong_Kong_local_elections https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Hong_Kong_local_elections > Nearly three million people voted, equivalent to 71 per cent of registered voters, an unprecedented turnout in the electoral history of Hong Kong. The election was widely viewed as a de facto referendum on the concurrent anti-extradition protests.[3] > All pro-Beijing parties suffered major setbacks and losses, including the flagship pro-Beijing party Democratic Alliance for the Betterment and Progress of Hong Kong (DAB), which received its largest defeat in history, losing 96 seats. Executive Councillor Regina Ip's New People's Party failed to obtain a single seat, and was ousted from all District Councils as a result.[4][5] Dozens of prominent pro-Beijing heavyweights lost their campaigns for re-election, including Junius Ho, a controversial anti-protest figure who had expressed support for the triads behind the mob attack in Yuen Long on 21 July.[4][5] > In contrast, the pro-democracy camp in conjunction with the localist camp achieved its biggest landslide victory in the history of Hong Kong, gaining absolute majority in votes and electoral seats in all of the 18 District Councils and tripling their seats from around 124 to about 388.