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The "just stop oil" folks must be delighted with the direction of things in the middle east.
by spiclk 6d ago
The "just stop oil" folks must be delighted with the direction of things in the middle east.
- mcv 6d agoI would prefer to stop the demand rather than the supply. The high prices encourage production elsewhere.
- spiclk 6d agoHow do we stop the demand for plastics (and any other number of process chemicals) and fertiliser? Also - while it may encourage production at other sites with a higher cost of production, higher prices in general will slow demand.
- mcv 6d agoAnd high prices may also encourage alternatives. Energy can be replaced by renewables. There are alternatives for various uses of plastics. And I thought manure was a pretty good fertiliser. Not everything needs to be replaced, but it would help a lot if we replace what we can.
- seb1204 6d agoAgreed, what does not help or get us anywhere is the throw hands in the air gesture from grandparent.
- spiclk 6d agoWe're going to need a lot of EV trucks, to transport the ~2 billion tons of manure.
- mcv 6d agoThe manure already needs to be dealt with anyway. Does it really matter whether we're transporting oil or manure? Surplus manure is also causing environmental problems. Why are we using fertiliser if there's too much manure?
- cogman10 6d agoThose are only a fraction of what oil becomes (around 10% total) everything else is burned.
- cpursley 6d agoBut how will they protest if they can't drive and meet up or fly to those green events?
- lazyasciiart 6d agoIndeed, how will anyone get to London or NYC or ...
- vrganj 6d agoTake a train or a bike? Y'know, the thing they're advocating for? Hell, Greta Thunberg crossed the Atlantic on a sailing ship.
- GJim 6d ago> Hell, Greta Thunberg crossed the Atlantic on a sailing ship. I need to attend a scientific conference in the USA next month. Please can you kindly tell me how I can also sail across the Atlantic to get there? (As an aside, my employer has already issued my burner phone and laptop; SOP for visiting countries such as the USA).
- vrganj 6d agoThat sounds like something you could do via Zoom and save yourself the hassle. Nobody claimed we could do a systemic change without, y'know, change.
- GJim 6d agoYes mate. Because staring at a screen on zoom call is a suitable alternative to free social interaction and scientific relationship building.
- vrganj 6d agoI'd rather you look at Zoom and we don't die of a climate catastrophe. I never said we could keep all our little niceties, such is systemic change.
- theplumber 6d agoI think it just proves them right. China seems to be doing OK partly due renewables push. But what do I know, electrification is a Chinese hoax.
- ZeroGravitas 6d agoTrump explicitly claimed that China sells wind turbines to other countries but doesn't use them for their own needs. That is of course a stupid lie. But it's amazing how many smart liars say something similar to "China controls 70℅ of the global wind market" without clarifying that they install nearly all of that in China because they installed 73% of new wind capacity in 2025.
- spiclk 6d agoYes, it all makes a lot more sense when you include the geopolitical context. China has an enormous abundance of coal and relatively little oil.