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Part agreed (E2EE by default so broadly is a great achievement), part "I think this is likely a massive communications power-grab on Google's part and not all t
by Groxx 8d ago
Part agreed (E2EE by default so broadly is a great achievement), part "I think this is likely a massive communications power-grab on Google's part and not all that altruistic". They control almost literally all of the servers and the only app nowadays (Samsung's is shutting down), globally, outside of Apple. Soon they will see a massive portion of the world's contact graph in near real time due to presence checking.
I am very glad to hear they're finally exposing some of those details though. Now they just need to open it up to third parties, like the original reference implementation did over a decade ago, so we don't need to blindly trust them as much.
- ufmace 7d agoI mostly agree. I think it's more of an imperfect world thing though. I agree that I don't entirely trust Google with all of this power. The problem seems to me to be that every other relevant player in the industry has even less interest in setting up reliable universal secure messaging. Apple is mostly interested in keeping everybody inside their walled garden. The carriers are mostly interested in figuring out new revenue streams in an attempt to get themselves out of the "dumb commodity data pipes while also forced to spend big money on constantly updating nationwide infrastructure" role that the mobile tech world has forced them into. Mobile hardware providers are basically the same, except for hating the "dumb commodity hardware provider of the 13th black rectangle" role. Nobody else's opinion actually matters in this world. I'd be happy to see them set up their own servers and an actual federated system, it just seems like none of the other players really want to do it.