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oh boy, you're proving the opposite with this "clever" comment.

by pacomerh 6d ago

yesitcan 6d ago
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- nomel 6d ago
  IQ by state [1]. Remove California, and it'll go up a bit! [1] https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/average-iq-by-state https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/average-iq-...
  - yesitcan 6d ago
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    - lern_too_spel 5d ago
      I'm surprised that there are people who are still ignorant enough to parrot these talking points. https://erik-engheim.medium.com/historical-iq-tests-on-immigrants-6befd8706d73 https://erik-engheim.medium.com/historical-iq-tests-on-immig... The average IQ of Koreans is now the highest in the world, after making consistent gains of 8 points per decade for people born between the 1940s and the 1980s. Your ignorance, like IQ, is fixable.
      - nomel 5d ago
        That article has a very silly conclusion with the whole obesity example, and doesn't understand the actual conclusion that the sensitivity analysis that these numbers are derived from, means (especially with their plant example).
        lern_too_spel 5d ago
        Foster families are not that different. I've seen multiple kids raised by parents who value education reading at age 2 and their cousins on either side reading at age 6 because their parents didn't value it. The changes in IQ possible by environmental differences are absolutely massive and clearly far larger than anything genetic aside from severe heritable brain disorders. That's what the Koreans and the Ashkenazim know and exploit. That's what made the large differences between European countries seen in the early 20th century disappear. The article's obesity conclusion is no less silly than your IQ beliefs.
        nomel 5d ago
        Here's the twin take: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2811965/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2811965/ > Results indicate that genetic influences account for over 60% of the variance in scientific achievement, with environmental influences accounting for the remaining variance. For a kid, only 40% can be changed. It's just absolutely wild that people don't think there's a genetic component to intelligence. There are NO studies that suggest otherwise. There's a genetic component to literally every single difference in humans. It's so strange to think that this single dimension is somehow invariant across the genetic populations found across the world. Can you guess the most reliable way to physically measure someone's intelligence? With our thinking bits being a chunk of meat, it should be fairly obvious! edit: I can't reply to your opinion, but reference please for this claim "There are small genetic differences in intelligence that are absolutely dwarfed by environmental differences, just like everything else.". Any at all would be fine.
        lern_too_spel 5d ago
        That flies in the face of the evidence. Apply some common sense, and then review the study more carefully. See if you can figure out the methodological failures yourself before you ask me to give you the answer. There are small genetic differences in intelligence that are absolutely dwarfed by environmental differences, just like everything else. The Koreans weren't genetically engineering themselves to be taller and smarter than their parents and their cousins in DPRK. The Spaniards didn't genetically engineer themselves either. Edit: Regarding references for my claim, if you don't understand how the example of the Koreans and the Europeans is evidence that environmental factors are more influential than genetic factors, you need a much larger change to your environment to bring your mental abilities up to the task than I can provide.

oh boy, you're proving the opposite with this "clever" comment.

yesitcan 6d ago

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nomel 6d ago
IQ by state [1]. Remove California, and it'll go up a bit! [1] https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/average-iq-by-state https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/average-iq-...
- yesitcan 6d ago
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  - lern_too_spel 5d ago
    I'm surprised that there are people who are still ignorant enough to parrot these talking points. https://erik-engheim.medium.com/historical-iq-tests-on-immigrants-6befd8706d73 https://erik-engheim.medium.com/historical-iq-tests-on-immig... The average IQ of Koreans is now the highest in the world, after making consistent gains of 8 points per decade for people born between the 1940s and the 1980s. Your ignorance, like IQ, is fixable.
    - nomel 5d ago
      That article has a very silly conclusion with the whole obesity example, and doesn't understand the actual conclusion that the sensitivity analysis that these numbers are derived from, means (especially with their plant example).
      - lern_too_spel 5d ago
        Foster families are not that different. I've seen multiple kids raised by parents who value education reading at age 2 and their cousins on either side reading at age 6 because their parents didn't value it. The changes in IQ possible by environmental differences are absolutely massive and clearly far larger than anything genetic aside from severe heritable brain disorders. That's what the Koreans and the Ashkenazim know and exploit. That's what made the large differences between European countries seen in the early 20th century disappear. The article's obesity conclusion is no less silly than your IQ beliefs.
        nomel 5d ago
        Here's the twin take: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2811965/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2811965/ > Results indicate that genetic influences account for over 60% of the variance in scientific achievement, with environmental influences accounting for the remaining variance. For a kid, only 40% can be changed. It's just absolutely wild that people don't think there's a genetic component to intelligence. There are NO studies that suggest otherwise. There's a genetic component to literally every single difference in humans. It's so strange to think that this single dimension is somehow invariant across the genetic populations found across the world. Can you guess the most reliable way to physically measure someone's intelligence? With our thinking bits being a chunk of meat, it should be fairly obvious! edit: I can't reply to your opinion, but reference please for this claim "There are small genetic differences in intelligence that are absolutely dwarfed by environmental differences, just like everything else.". Any at all would be fine.
        lern_too_spel 5d ago
        That flies in the face of the evidence. Apply some common sense, and then review the study more carefully. See if you can figure out the methodological failures yourself before you ask me to give you the answer. There are small genetic differences in intelligence that are absolutely dwarfed by environmental differences, just like everything else. The Koreans weren't genetically engineering themselves to be taller and smarter than their parents and their cousins in DPRK. The Spaniards didn't genetically engineer themselves either. Edit: Regarding references for my claim, if you don't understand how the example of the Koreans and the Europeans is evidence that environmental factors are more influential than genetic factors, you need a much larger change to your environment to bring your mental abilities up to the task than I can provide.