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The use case is control. It's essentially a controlnet for the actual music writing. So a musician could compose melody, harmony, and lyrics and generate many p

The use case is control. It's essentially a controlnet for the actual music writing. So a musician could compose melody, harmony, and lyrics and generate many performances of the same song until they get one they like. A non-musician could similarly generate the symbolic input from scratch, and perhaps they like the composition but not the performance. This allows them to re-render and re-render until they like the performance.

Forgeties79 6d ago
Why.
- popalchemist 6d ago
  Why have a feature that lets you get what you want? are you kidding
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bit-rot 6d ago
> a musician could compose melody, harmony, and lyrics and generate many performances of the same song until they get one they like Can't relate to this. Art doesn't come out as a left-brained problem solving exercise or identifying the right product for a market. It's about expression. You do it when you're feeling things.
- popalchemist 6d ago
  I'm a composer and I can 100% get behind this workflow. I will often compose on one instrument (guitar or keys) and then throw the midi into a DAW and experiment with sounds. This is that.
  - Forgeties79 5d ago
    It does not strike me as the same process
    - popalchemist 5d ago
      You do not have to understand something to accept that someone else does.
      - Forgeties79 5d ago
        Perhaps I could’ve softened my comment but I don’t think it warranted this response. Why don’t you explain your initial comment instead of just being needlessly rude to somebody?
        popalchemist 5d ago
        I thought it was already explained at a granular level. But here we go again: Pre-ai: You compose a song. It exists in your mind, or on paper, as a series of notes and chords, sometimes with words. This is not yet "a song", it's sheet music. To get to a finished product, you have to do a demo, and that involves a lot of choices, but those choices may still be only a temporary bridge to get to a later re-recording, with the demo acting only as a proof of concept that was necessary to get sign-off or funding from other members of your band, a record label, a producer, etc. Back to the demo. You have to decide how to ARRANGE that music you've written. That means you have to decide which kinds of instruments/synthesizers play what parts. Maybe the bassline is played on a bass with a fuzz filter. Maybe it's clean. Maybe it's a slap bass. Got a guitar part? Is it acoustic or electric? Get it? Lots of choices to make. If you have vocals, you have to decide who is going to be singing the vocals and in what style. Now, with this new model: you can either hand-write the "sheet music" (in its proprietary format, but it's still a form of musical notation) or have an LLM do that. Either way, given the sheet music, this model can go and reliably produce new demos for you, so that you can try out different arrangements of the same exact musical structure (including lyrics). It just automates all the arrangement and renders it in one go, instead of you recording each part yourself.

Forgeties79 6d ago

Why.

popalchemist 6d ago
Why have a feature that lets you get what you want? are you kidding
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bit-rot 6d ago

> a musician could compose melody, harmony, and lyrics and generate many performances of the same song until they get one they like Can't relate to this. Art doesn't come out as a left-brained problem solving exercise or identifying the right product for a market. It's about expression. You do it when you're feeling things.

popalchemist 6d ago
I'm a composer and I can 100% get behind this workflow. I will often compose on one instrument (guitar or keys) and then throw the midi into a DAW and experiment with sounds. This is that.
- Forgeties79 5d ago
  It does not strike me as the same process
  - popalchemist 5d ago
    You do not have to understand something to accept that someone else does.
    - Forgeties79 5d ago
      Perhaps I could’ve softened my comment but I don’t think it warranted this response. Why don’t you explain your initial comment instead of just being needlessly rude to somebody?
      - popalchemist 5d ago
        I thought it was already explained at a granular level. But here we go again: Pre-ai: You compose a song. It exists in your mind, or on paper, as a series of notes and chords, sometimes with words. This is not yet "a song", it's sheet music. To get to a finished product, you have to do a demo, and that involves a lot of choices, but those choices may still be only a temporary bridge to get to a later re-recording, with the demo acting only as a proof of concept that was necessary to get sign-off or funding from other members of your band, a record label, a producer, etc. Back to the demo. You have to decide how to ARRANGE that music you've written. That means you have to decide which kinds of instruments/synthesizers play what parts. Maybe the bassline is played on a bass with a fuzz filter. Maybe it's clean. Maybe it's a slap bass. Got a guitar part? Is it acoustic or electric? Get it? Lots of choices to make. If you have vocals, you have to decide who is going to be singing the vocals and in what style. Now, with this new model: you can either hand-write the "sheet music" (in its proprietary format, but it's still a form of musical notation) or have an LLM do that. Either way, given the sheet music, this model can go and reliably produce new demos for you, so that you can try out different arrangements of the same exact musical structure (including lyrics). It just automates all the arrangement and renders it in one go, instead of you recording each part yourself.