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Ukraine seems to be what happens when a country willingly gave up their nukes (with US encouragement). I have no problem if the US navy wants to tool around sh
by 0cf8612b2e1e 6d ago
Ukraine seems to be what happens when a country willingly gave up their nukes (with US encouragement).
I have no problem if the US navy wants to tool around shipping lanes for the good of global trade. I take issue with everything else.
In the past couple of years, the US has implicitly used the strength of its military to threaten the sovereignty of Greenland, Panama, Canada, Mexico, and Cuba. Abducted a foreign head of state. Started a war. Bombed drug runners and fishermen.
The death toll for the Iraq war is heavily contested, but the numbers are somewhere in the region of 200k to one million dead. All under the guise of WMDs.
Like any large organization, there is a mixture of good and bad outcomes.
- chasd00 6d agoUkraine was storing nukes but did not have the keys to use them. They were useless to ukraine and presented no deterrent.
- AngryData 6d agoUkraine was home to many nuclear and rocket scientists so presumably they could have reverse engineered them if they wanted and got a big head start in it. But yeah thats only if they wanted to try and spend the money to support a nuclear program. As they sat they were unreliable at best case.
- karp773 6d agoThat's false. Please stop spreading Russian propaganda. Not only Ukraine was able to control and maintaining them, in fact, Ukrainian companies manufactured nuke ICBMs, and then serviced them in Russia long after the collapse of the USSR. See, for example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KB_Pivdenne https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KB_Pivdenne