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it probably has something to do with the fact that a full 2% of their GDP comes from US military aid alone: https://www.cfr.org/articles/us-aid-israel-four-char

it probably has something to do with the fact that a full 2% of their GDP comes from US military aid alone: https://www.cfr.org/articles/us-aid-israel-four-charts https://www.cfr.org/articles/us-aid-israel-four-charts

lovich 6d ago
And they can redirect resources to the war if we removed it. If anything, removal of our support probably leads to the use of dumber less targeted weapons like carpet bombing or good ole white phosphorus that they’ve already demonstrated use of in past conflicts. If we were giving them 30+% of their gdp then yea, dropping that probably stops the conflict. 2% is just a budget reshuffle.
- paimapi 6d ago
  you should look up how much the 2008 financial crisis shrank the US GDP. 2% of an entire nation state's GDP especially with aid concentrated in gov\mil sectors of which a huge part of Israel's private sector is dependent on for grants is not a 'budget reshuffle'
  - lovich 6d ago
    It is when there’s an existential threat which, agree with Israel’s government or not, they believe the neighboring Islamic factions are. I’m not claiming it would be easy but it’s definitely not an amount that losing would end the war overnight, which was the original claim I responded to
  - funker337 6d ago
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- megous 6d ago
  Israelis can't carpet bomb. They don't have the tech. Are you saying 10's of thousands of bombs US supplied to level the entire cities and countryside to the ground is preferable to IL having to get this elsewhere, because why exactly? What does precision have to do with it? You can scroll around here to see what US did by providing all those mostly free bombs: https://earth.google.com/web/@31.31022959,34.24130746,30.07623278a,2340.44783902d,35y,0h,0t,0r/data=CgRCAggBOgMKATBCAggASg0I____________ARAA https://earth.google.com/web/@31.31022959,34.24130746,30.076... (south is the only thing google is not misrepresenting on the aerial imagery) This is preferable to carpet bombing, yeah? How?
  - lovich 6d ago
    > Israelis can't carpet bomb. They don't have the tech. What? I’m not even responding to the rest if this is how you open up. Carpet bombing is so low tech I can’t imagine a country in the modern age that couldn’t create the technology even if they couldn’t afford actually deploying it. It’s a matter of logistics and having enough bombs. It’s literally just dropping a fuck ton of dumb bombs on an area to “carpet” it, unless we’re talking past each other and you were referring to something else.
    - JumpCrisscross 6d ago
      > Carpet bombing is so low tech I can’t imagine a country in the modern age that couldn’t create the technology Yeah, it's artillery bombardment by more-modern means. The "modern" bit being planes.
      - lovich 6d ago
        Give me enough guano, charcoal, sulphur, steel, and flint and I can cobble together carpet bombing from my kitchen without ever having to go up the tech tree past a few hundred years ago. Hell Hamas themselves under heavy sanctions have shown they have the technology, they merely lack the surfeit of resources to implement it. This isn’t me arguing with you, I’m just flabbergasted that someone could say with a straight face that Israel doesn’t have the technology to carpet bomb. I want us to decrease or end our alliance with Israel for political reasons related to how their government has interacted with ours(the US) but I am constantly surprised by these people who honestly think that Israel wouldn’t collapse the moment US support ended, like they didn’t fight several existential wars and win previous to our support.

lovich 6d ago

And they can redirect resources to the war if we removed it. If anything, removal of our support probably leads to the use of dumber less targeted weapons like carpet bombing or good ole white phosphorus that they’ve already demonstrated use of in past conflicts. If we were giving them 30+% of their gdp then yea, dropping that probably stops the conflict. 2% is just a budget reshuffle.

paimapi 6d ago
you should look up how much the 2008 financial crisis shrank the US GDP. 2% of an entire nation state's GDP especially with aid concentrated in gov\mil sectors of which a huge part of Israel's private sector is dependent on for grants is not a 'budget reshuffle'
- lovich 6d ago
  It is when there’s an existential threat which, agree with Israel’s government or not, they believe the neighboring Islamic factions are. I’m not claiming it would be easy but it’s definitely not an amount that losing would end the war overnight, which was the original claim I responded to
- funker337 6d ago
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megous 6d ago
Israelis can't carpet bomb. They don't have the tech. Are you saying 10's of thousands of bombs US supplied to level the entire cities and countryside to the ground is preferable to IL having to get this elsewhere, because why exactly? What does precision have to do with it? You can scroll around here to see what US did by providing all those mostly free bombs: https://earth.google.com/web/@31.31022959,34.24130746,30.07623278a,2340.44783902d,35y,0h,0t,0r/data=CgRCAggBOgMKATBCAggASg0I____________ARAA https://earth.google.com/web/@31.31022959,34.24130746,30.076... (south is the only thing google is not misrepresenting on the aerial imagery) This is preferable to carpet bombing, yeah? How?
- lovich 6d ago
  > Israelis can't carpet bomb. They don't have the tech. What? I’m not even responding to the rest if this is how you open up. Carpet bombing is so low tech I can’t imagine a country in the modern age that couldn’t create the technology even if they couldn’t afford actually deploying it. It’s a matter of logistics and having enough bombs. It’s literally just dropping a fuck ton of dumb bombs on an area to “carpet” it, unless we’re talking past each other and you were referring to something else.
  - JumpCrisscross 6d ago
    > Carpet bombing is so low tech I can’t imagine a country in the modern age that couldn’t create the technology Yeah, it's artillery bombardment by more-modern means. The "modern" bit being planes.
    - lovich 6d ago
      Give me enough guano, charcoal, sulphur, steel, and flint and I can cobble together carpet bombing from my kitchen without ever having to go up the tech tree past a few hundred years ago. Hell Hamas themselves under heavy sanctions have shown they have the technology, they merely lack the surfeit of resources to implement it. This isn’t me arguing with you, I’m just flabbergasted that someone could say with a straight face that Israel doesn’t have the technology to carpet bomb. I want us to decrease or end our alliance with Israel for political reasons related to how their government has interacted with ours(the US) but I am constantly surprised by these people who honestly think that Israel wouldn’t collapse the moment US support ended, like they didn’t fight several existential wars and win previous to our support.