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I only care about it because I'm waiting for a MacBook Neo with more than 8gb of memory.

by o_m 8d ago

wang_li 8d ago
I'm waiting for a software release for my iPhone 16 Pro Max that will let me plug in a dock that has an attached SSD, keyboard, mouse, and display, and an option to pop up on my phone to reboot into MacOS. Also, if they make a neo 2 from the A19 with 12 GB that'd be cool.
- selectodude 8d ago
  I’m pretty sure the efficiency cores in the A20 Pro have more juice than the performance cores in my M1 Pro laptop.
- josephg 8d ago
  You’ll be waiting awhile. iPads have had desktop M-series CPUs for ages now, and you still can’t run macOS on an iPad. It’s just a software restriction. I’m sure they have macOS running on iPhones and iPads internally, probably both through a VM and natively. But it’s very Apple to block this use case.
josephg 8d ago
With the price of ram going up by 5x, I want to see our industry move in the opposite direction. Computers for regular people should go back to 4gb or even 2gb of ram, just to keep the prices sane. We should get software working well on those devices, just like it did a decade or two ago. Small, memory efficient programs run better everywhere. It feels like theft to make consumers pay for our inefficient software. Electron / react on the desktop is such a rort.
- StilesCrisis 7d ago
  I wonder how much we could reclaim just by going back to 32-bit pointers. If we're going back to 4GB it should be fine, right?
  - josephg 7d ago
    Yes and no. If I recall, 32 bit windows has a fixed allocation of 3gb for userland and 1gb for the kernel’s memory space. I think 32bit only really works well for memory sizes smaller than 4gb. It might not be worth it, given a lot of OSes are in the process of deprecating 32bit support.
    - StilesCrisis 6d ago
      First, we don't need to be restrained to "how Windows did it twenty years ago." But either way, if we are targeting a 4GB PC, it's inappropriate for any single app to actually use more than 3GB regardless.
- nonethewiser 7d ago
  >With the price of ram going up by 5x, I want to see our industry move in the opposite direction. Computers for regular people should go back to 4gb or even 2gb of ram, just to keep the prices sane. Sure. Right along with Intel Core 2 Duo and Windows Vista.
  - dgellow 7d ago
    Modern CPUs and memory, just less ram
    - josephg 7d ago
      Modern operating systems too. Windows xp only used a few hundred megs of ram. Windows 11 is more complex, but none of its features justifies windows 11 needing 100x as much memory to run. Slim the fat!
- ChrisRR 7d ago
  Let's stop filling static websites with javascript. That should instantly reduce the overhead
  - josephg 7d ago
    Yep. And let’s stop putting react apps in the windows start menu.
fatata123 7d ago
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I only care about it because I'm waiting for a MacBook Neo with more than 8gb of memory.

by o_m 8d ago

I only care about it because I'm waiting for a MacBook Neo with more than 8gb of memory.

I'm waiting for a software release for my iPhone 16 Pro Max that will let me plug in a dock that has an attached SSD, keyboard, mouse, and display, and an option to pop up on my phone to reboot into MacOS. Also, if they make a neo 2 from the A19 with 12 GB that'd be cool.

selectodude 8d ago
I’m pretty sure the efficiency cores in the A20 Pro have more juice than the performance cores in my M1 Pro laptop.
josephg 8d ago
You’ll be waiting awhile. iPads have had desktop M-series CPUs for ages now, and you still can’t run macOS on an iPad. It’s just a software restriction. I’m sure they have macOS running on iPhones and iPads internally, probably both through a VM and natively. But it’s very Apple to block this use case.

josephg 8d ago

With the price of ram going up by 5x, I want to see our industry move in the opposite direction. Computers for regular people should go back to 4gb or even 2gb of ram, just to keep the prices sane. We should get software working well on those devices, just like it did a decade or two ago. Small, memory efficient programs run better everywhere. It feels like theft to make consumers pay for our inefficient software. Electron / react on the desktop is such a rort.

StilesCrisis 7d ago
I wonder how much we could reclaim just by going back to 32-bit pointers. If we're going back to 4GB it should be fine, right?
- josephg 7d ago
  Yes and no. If I recall, 32 bit windows has a fixed allocation of 3gb for userland and 1gb for the kernel’s memory space. I think 32bit only really works well for memory sizes smaller than 4gb. It might not be worth it, given a lot of OSes are in the process of deprecating 32bit support.
  - StilesCrisis 6d ago
    First, we don't need to be restrained to "how Windows did it twenty years ago." But either way, if we are targeting a 4GB PC, it's inappropriate for any single app to actually use more than 3GB regardless.
nonethewiser 7d ago
>With the price of ram going up by 5x, I want to see our industry move in the opposite direction. Computers for regular people should go back to 4gb or even 2gb of ram, just to keep the prices sane. Sure. Right along with Intel Core 2 Duo and Windows Vista.
- dgellow 7d ago
  Modern CPUs and memory, just less ram
  - josephg 7d ago
    Modern operating systems too. Windows xp only used a few hundred megs of ram. Windows 11 is more complex, but none of its features justifies windows 11 needing 100x as much memory to run. Slim the fat!
ChrisRR 7d ago
Let's stop filling static websites with javascript. That should instantly reduce the overhead
- josephg 7d ago
  Yep. And let’s stop putting react apps in the windows start menu.

fatata123 7d ago

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