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This alley has consisted of mostly murals for several decades. Anyone owning property there is well aware of it. If someone ordered murals painted over there, i
by jacobolus 7d ago
This alley has consisted of mostly murals for several decades. Anyone owning property there is well aware of it. If someone ordered murals painted over there, it was because they were deliberately trying to destroy celebrated public art.
- tekla 7d agoI see this response doesn't actually respond to > Public art painted on someone's property. No mention of what kind of arrangement they had with the propery owner when they painted it.
- jacobolus 7d agoFrom Mission Local, https://missionlocal.org/2026/09/four-murals-in-clarion-alley-were-painted-over-last-week/ https://missionlocal.org/2026/09/four-murals-in-clarion-alle... > “CAMP has had both written and verbal agreements/understandings with property owners and landlords regarding murals on Clarion Alley for 34, going on 35 years,” read a statement from Clarion Alley Mural Project. > At the moment, it’s unclear whether CAMP has a written agreement for 3331 17th St. The organization, however, does have a verbal agreement with all the landlords/property owners where they have murals throughout the alley. > The property’s owners haven’t changed since 2001. The owner of 3331 17th St. is listed as the Guerrero V. Espinoza Trust in city records. > The murals painted over include “We’re all in this together,” a memorial for activist and artist Kirsten Brydum, painted in 2016 by John Viola; “Everything Must Go,” a tribute to Adobe Books’ former home at 3166 16th St., painted in 2015 by Daniel Doherty; a tribute to local graffiti artist Chloe a.k.a. Marfa by Floyd; and a mural completed this spring by students from Graffiti Camp for Girls, a local organization training young women in creating public art.
- mc32 7d agoI think we need to know the nature of the agreements (what did they agree to) as well as whether they are legally binding. Without that information we’re all left to guess.
- Zigurd 7d agoIt doesn't deserve a response. It's self refuting. The likeliest situation is there was no formal arrangement. The decent thing to do was to come to an arrangement whether there was a previous arrangement or not. You can be perfectly within your rights as they might be litigated in a court and still be an asshole deserving of public disapproval.
- dmitrygr 7d ago> This alley has consisted of mostly murals for several decades. As an owner, I can change what I permit or do not permit on my property on any whim, with no notice to anyone. That is quite literally what ownership means -- control of property.
- zbrozek 7d agoNot here; being an owner just means you're liable for the taxes and still have to get permission from someone else to do anything with the space.
- SoftTalker 7d agoTo be a bit more nuanced, you can do anything with your property except that which requires permission or approval. NOT that you must get permission for anything you do with your property. The specifics can vary widely from locality to locality, obviously. Painting a wall is something that usually doesn't require a permit. Maybe some restrictions if the building is a historic landmark or something like that.
- jacobolus 7d agoSome people have the legal authority to destroy public art. That doesn't make it a morally or socially acceptable behavior.
- harimau777 7d agoYou are also a member of the community. That carries obligations.