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> the most advanced camera in an iPhone I mean, I can't remember the last time they DIDN'T say that. Variable aperture is kinda cool I guess. 256Gigs of storag

> the most advanced camera in an iPhone I mean, I can't remember the last time they DIDN'T say that. Variable aperture is kinda cool I guess. 256Gigs of storage basically means everyone's going to have to upgrade their iCloud storage monthly spend just to back this thing up. I've stopped sending my camera roll to iCloud just to save on space.

otherjason 9d ago
Apple events are full of these meaningless statements, which always drive me crazy. Of course it's the "best iPhone Apple has ever made." If it wasn't, then wouldn't I be better off buying an older model?
- nobleach 9d ago
  I haven't been this excited since Dodge released their new Caravan... or Ubuntu released their new orange and purple UI...
- paxys 9d ago
  Just once I want the CEO to go up on stage and say “this year’s model isn’t all that great tbh”.
  - Den_VR 9d ago
    That’s the open for an actually amazing year.
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- ChrisRR 9d ago
  I'd be quite happy with "It's not as powerful as last years model, but it has double the battery capacity"
insaneirish 9d ago
> I've stopped sending my camera roll to iCloud just to save on space. This is an interesting choice. Photos from my phone would literally be the last thing I ever turned off backup for. To each their own...
- brewdad 9d ago
  Agreed. The photo backup is so seamless. I’ve been documenting my electronics and other possessions for insurance purposes and in anticipation of a move. It’s been so easy to go around the house taking photos of serial numbers and such with the better camera on my phone. Then I grab my iPad and update the spreadsheet. Nothing needed to happen on my end, the photos are just there for my iPad to access and as later proof if I ever need it.
- nobleach 9d ago
  Oh I back them up to Immich self-hosted. I just stopped paying Apple.
  - insaneirish 9d ago
    > Oh I back them up to Immich self-hosted. I just stopped paying Apple. Which means this original comment is somewhat disingenuous: "256Gigs of storage basically means everyone's going to have to upgrade their iCloud storage monthly spend just to back this thing up." Clearly there is another option (as evidenced by your own behavior). But let's not pretend that option is free, either.
    - nobleach 9d ago
      *Everyone that wants an easy "blessed" path. Naturally you don't run into folks who self-host Immich very often.
WarmWash 9d ago
Camera quality actually topped out a decade ago or so, and now it's become all post-processing trends that define "best". Not unlike the "Best jacket of the season" being the one that is most fashionable as opposed to the most functional.
- luqtas 9d ago
  soon we'll have a like amount predictor connected with your personal assistant talking with your social media
- kingkongjaffa 9d ago
  You say that, but I've bought the non-pro iphones the last few generations (13, 15 currently) and consistently wanted a better camera, so this upgrade cycle I'll probably shell out for the 18 pro.
- Gigachad 9d ago
  This is not even close to true. I took a bunch of photos side by side with the iphone 13 pro and the 17 pro. The 17 pro was unmistakably much better, particularly on the telephoto, it wasn't even close. There was a very clear improvement in detail and sharpness, and not in a crunchy post processing way, the sensor is simply larger and higher resolution. Now I think all the iphone cameras still suck compared to an actual camera, but the improvement over the last 10 years has been dramatic.
FireBeyond 9d ago
And it's not even that they said that, I get marketing spiel but one the actual phrases was, emphasis his, not mine: "MASSIVE improvements in Camera". Where? Evolution, refinement, sure. Massive? Hm.
drop_star 9d ago
>I've stopped sending my camera roll to iCloud just to save on space. how do you backup your photos when the phone gets full. I dont have a mac and the process is excruciating. Also the formats get messed up so some photos become unusable. I stopped taking 'live' photos because of this.
- Lucasoato 9d ago
  There’s this MacOS native application called Image Capture, use it to backup 100GB of photos. I then partitioned the photo by year and 7zipped them with encryption.
  - dylan604 9d ago
    You missed the salient details: "I dont have a mac" Everything you stated to is useless to the person you replied.
    - edgarvaldes 9d ago
      Maybe he interpreted the "how do you backup" as a particular question directed to him, not a general one.
- intrasight 9d ago
  Is handled by Synology DS File app. Is what I've done for 6 years. I don't send photos to iCloud.
- ValentineC 9d ago
  Not the parent, but Google Photos has been decent as a secondary backup. They even backup Live Photos now. The two formats I've found that they don't back up accurately are rotated photos (if one's a stickler for "originals") and cropped screenshots (JPEG instead of PNG). Possibly the sidecar files for edits too.
  - sampullman 9d ago
    Rotation data isn't included in the file, or it just doesn't display with the correct orientation? Sometimes Google photos shows the wrong orientation for my pixel photos/videos but it's just a display issue.
nicbou 9d ago
USB-C and the 5x lens made me switch to iOS. Likewise the 6th gen iPad Mini is what I was waiting for to get a tablet to sketch. Sometimes a device hits just right.

otherjason 9d ago

Apple events are full of these meaningless statements, which always drive me crazy. Of course it's the "best iPhone Apple has ever made." If it wasn't, then wouldn't I be better off buying an older model?

nobleach 9d ago
I haven't been this excited since Dodge released their new Caravan... or Ubuntu released their new orange and purple UI...
paxys 9d ago
Just once I want the CEO to go up on stage and say “this year’s model isn’t all that great tbh”.
- Den_VR 9d ago
  That’s the open for an actually amazing year.
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ChrisRR 9d ago
I'd be quite happy with "It's not as powerful as last years model, but it has double the battery capacity"

insaneirish 9d ago

> I've stopped sending my camera roll to iCloud just to save on space. This is an interesting choice. Photos from my phone would literally be the last thing I ever turned off backup for. To each their own...

brewdad 9d ago
Agreed. The photo backup is so seamless. I’ve been documenting my electronics and other possessions for insurance purposes and in anticipation of a move. It’s been so easy to go around the house taking photos of serial numbers and such with the better camera on my phone. Then I grab my iPad and update the spreadsheet. Nothing needed to happen on my end, the photos are just there for my iPad to access and as later proof if I ever need it.
nobleach 9d ago
Oh I back them up to Immich self-hosted. I just stopped paying Apple.
- insaneirish 9d ago
  > Oh I back them up to Immich self-hosted. I just stopped paying Apple. Which means this original comment is somewhat disingenuous: "256Gigs of storage basically means everyone's going to have to upgrade their iCloud storage monthly spend just to back this thing up." Clearly there is another option (as evidenced by your own behavior). But let's not pretend that option is free, either.
  - nobleach 9d ago
    *Everyone that wants an easy "blessed" path. Naturally you don't run into folks who self-host Immich very often.

WarmWash 9d ago

Camera quality actually topped out a decade ago or so, and now it's become all post-processing trends that define "best". Not unlike the "Best jacket of the season" being the one that is most fashionable as opposed to the most functional.

luqtas 9d ago
soon we'll have a like amount predictor connected with your personal assistant talking with your social media
kingkongjaffa 9d ago
You say that, but I've bought the non-pro iphones the last few generations (13, 15 currently) and consistently wanted a better camera, so this upgrade cycle I'll probably shell out for the 18 pro.
Gigachad 9d ago
This is not even close to true. I took a bunch of photos side by side with the iphone 13 pro and the 17 pro. The 17 pro was unmistakably much better, particularly on the telephoto, it wasn't even close. There was a very clear improvement in detail and sharpness, and not in a crunchy post processing way, the sensor is simply larger and higher resolution. Now I think all the iphone cameras still suck compared to an actual camera, but the improvement over the last 10 years has been dramatic.

FireBeyond 9d ago

And it's not even that they said that, I get marketing spiel but one the actual phrases was, emphasis his, not mine: "MASSIVE improvements in Camera". Where? Evolution, refinement, sure. Massive? Hm.

drop_star 9d ago

>I've stopped sending my camera roll to iCloud just to save on space. how do you backup your photos when the phone gets full. I dont have a mac and the process is excruciating. Also the formats get messed up so some photos become unusable. I stopped taking 'live' photos because of this.

Lucasoato 9d ago
There’s this MacOS native application called Image Capture, use it to backup 100GB of photos. I then partitioned the photo by year and 7zipped them with encryption.
- dylan604 9d ago
  You missed the salient details: "I dont have a mac" Everything you stated to is useless to the person you replied.
  - edgarvaldes 9d ago
    Maybe he interpreted the "how do you backup" as a particular question directed to him, not a general one.
intrasight 9d ago
Is handled by Synology DS File app. Is what I've done for 6 years. I don't send photos to iCloud.
ValentineC 9d ago
Not the parent, but Google Photos has been decent as a secondary backup. They even backup Live Photos now. The two formats I've found that they don't back up accurately are rotated photos (if one's a stickler for "originals") and cropped screenshots (JPEG instead of PNG). Possibly the sidecar files for edits too.
- sampullman 9d ago
  Rotation data isn't included in the file, or it just doesn't display with the correct orientation? Sometimes Google photos shows the wrong orientation for my pixel photos/videos but it's just a display issue.

nicbou 9d ago

USB-C and the 5x lens made me switch to iOS. Likewise the 6th gen iPad Mini is what I was waiting for to get a tablet to sketch. Sometimes a device hits just right.