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Analogy doesn't apply to this case, as you are paying for the chair upfront but not paying for the model weights upfront.
by handfuloflight 7d ago
Analogy doesn't apply to this case, as you are paying for the chair upfront but not paying for the model weights upfront.
- Muromec 7d agoI'm also not downloading a chair, because why would it?
- handfuloflight 7d agoExactly, so your analogy is useless.
- 1dom 7d agoThe only reason my chair manufacturer would be entitled to the proceeds of my success whilst I was in their chair is if I hadn't already paid them for the work they put into making the chair for me. Even then, why would my success with their product have anything to do with how much they can charge me for their labour? What other things work like that outside of the modern tech world? Seriously, look around you, pick a thing, imagine a world where the price you paid for that thing hinged on your personal individual success with that thing. edit: to clarify, my point is why can't we pay for the model weights up front for offline models? Why would we continue paying for things we don't want/need anymore, like updates for offline software that does it's job fine?
- ricardobeat 7d ago> look around you, pick a thing, imagine a world where the price you paid for that thing hinged on your personal individual success with that thing YCombinator. Unreal Engine. CryEngine. FMOD. Steam, App stores in general. Qt. + 90% of enterprise software that charges per seat / user. You could argue that most of these provide ongoing services, but that will also be the case if you license one of their models commercially, contracts come with strings attached both ways.
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- Muromec 7d ago>The only reason my chair manufacturer would be entitled to the proceeds of my success whilst I was in their chair is if I hadn't already paid them for the work they put into making the chair for me Unless you could lease a chair and limit your cost to some finite number (which is higher then upfront cost), because chairs are easy to get by. You could also buy very cheap chairs from China for example and rent them by the hour (or that's what I heard). The actual reason to why is -- because they can make you do it. >What other things work like that outside of the modern tech world? taxes
- handfuloflight 7d agoIf they charged for the weights up front, then your critique would simply reverse.
- wredcoll 7d agoWhat, why?
- 1dom 6d agoFYI I stopped engaging with handfuloflight. I couldn't find a coherent argument or position through all the condescension and disagreement.
- handfuloflight 6d agoYes, you couldn't find a coherent argument or position to rebut with.
- 1dom 5d agoYup, because if you had one, this post would have been the ideal opportunity to put it forward, but you just make some sassy "no u" comment instead.
- handfuloflight 5d agoI made multiple points, you were unable to respond to them. Copy and paste what I said into your favorite AI chatbot to help you parse it on your level.