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Is this being astroturfed? Like, to me this looks like academic slap-fighting from Bubeck and Levent. People working at OpenAI are saying, "hey, we don't have
by piloto_ciego 8d ago
Is this being astroturfed?
Like, to me this looks like academic slap-fighting from Bubeck and Levent. People working at OpenAI are saying, "hey, we don't have that particular data in our models," others are saying, "we used a different approach to do it with Navier-Stokes" this feels like much ado about nothing.
Then in these comments I see some wild accusations.
If OpenAI is telling the truth (I don't really see a reason to lie here, if anything that sounds kind of like a dumb idea given the context), then they heard, "oh, shit, someone might be able to solve Navier-Stokes, don't we have some guys working on that? Give them 10,000 agents!" Then 88 hours later, out pops a similar solution. It's not like there's probably an infinity of ways to do this, the proof is probably similar.
Read this:
> Two proposals were offered to me. The first was that we post our Euler
result, and that OpenAI post its Navier-Stokes result the next day. The second
was that, after posting Euler, I alone write a paper presenting the Navier-Stokes
result, acknowledging that an internal OpenAI model had resolved it. Sebastien
twice asserted that he wanted Levent removed from authorship, and said it
would all be simple if only it were not the case that, and it was so annoying
that, Levent works at Anthropic. It was also said that if OpenAI posted after us,
they would say that we deserved the Clay Prize, and that we were the “closest
humans to the problem”. I declined both offers.
So, really, it sounds like academic slap-fighting nonsense and corporate bureaucracy. Literally, OpenAI's best move would have been to say, "ok, we're going to not say anything, do your thing" and let it happen. Ego and vanity got in the way.
Still, the stupid drama of this doesn't really do the results justice. There are maybe 1000 people on planet earth who are qualified to solve a problem like this. Even if the human "loosened the jar" a bit, that's astounding that their model was able to figure it the rest of the way out. Why are people dialed in to the human interest story here and not looking at the bigger picture!
- Gud 8d agoYou’re making a lot of assumptions not based on facts. Looks more like this to me: math wizards uses ChatGPT to assist solving a math problem. OpenAI gobbles up the prize.
- 405error 7d agoTristian's allegations are much more serious than academic slap-fighting. If what he suggests is true, every academic using AI is going to get scooped. Yes AI can do non-trivial work, but the situation is that you could be a PhD student 90% of a way to make a major breakthrough. Then OAI scoops up your chats, dumps ten million tokens, and claims it for itself.
- piloto_ciego 7d agoYour account is 21 days old.
- vinetnova 5d agoAnd yours is almost four years old, around the age of which most begin to learn about the follies of needless gatekeeping, no? Don't you dare go off and look at my account age you silly goose.
- piloto_ciego 5d ago7 days old. This is an astroturfing campaign.
- consp 7d agoAnd you can say goodbye to your PhD at that point.