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Iran says it captured US submarine drone in Strait of Hormuz

36 points by harambae 10d ago

goatlover 10d ago
When is this unauthorized war going to end?
- sleepyguy 10d ago
  When Israel says is over....
- aogaili 9d ago
  Regime change in Israel or the US.
  - spwa4 9d ago
    Or regime change in Iran ... And despite how I feel about the US and Israel's government I do have my head straight: regime change in Iran would be a 1000x better outcome than any of your suggestions. And for everyone, by the way. For Trump. For Netanyahu. For Europe. For gulf countries. For Americans. For Europeans. For Bahraini, Emirati, Qatari, Saudi AND for Iranians. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNTSiF6zujc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNTSiF6zujc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l7Y4HGxhQs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l7Y4HGxhQs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntWwfuvQqrQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntWwfuvQqrQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGke_pPoNUg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGke_pPoNUg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRevVRMHA4c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRevVRMHA4c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxZYxzJJXrE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxZYxzJJXrE DOWN with khamenei!
    - matusp 9d ago
      The problem is that empirically regime changes very rarely lead to stable liberal democracies. Yeah, a magical societal transformation according to exactly our standards sounds great to us. But that is not how this is going to end.
      - aogaili 9d ago
        But who is there to say that liberal democracies are the desired end of goal for all states? That is the problem with liberal democracies it has very little tolerance for almost any other kind of system. How many wars in recent history waged in the name of liberal democracies and freedom?
        spwa4 8d ago
        > But who is there to say that liberal democracies are the desired end of goal for all states ... Everyone. That's the essence of democracy. It quite literally is what everyone wants. > How many wars in recent history waged in the name of liberal democracies and freedom? Zero? I guess you mean things like the Iran war, if we disregard entirely that Iran has been attacking almost literally everyone, including the US, but also including, uh, Iraq, Israel, Jordan, Turkey, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, ... they attacked fucking Argentina (look at the map, then tell me how ridiculous that is, then check wikipedia to see they did indeed attack Argentina) Sorry I mean "exporting the revolution", with little or not explanation as to why this particular export required killing 600000 Syrian civilians, and certainly 2 million people total. What I just can't understand is why tankies support Iran. I mean, how can you get less communist than Iran? I mean is it the words they use and the propaganda? Idiots.
        aogaili 8d ago
        Given a choice I would rather live in democratic systems - but to say that everyone wants democratic systems tell you are not as exposed as you think you are. There are many failed democracies which resulted in highly bloated and corrupt governments, and these tend to make the situation worse. And there are many states running alternative governance system with success. When you are saying everyone, you are basically projecting your liberal values on others and you are convinced they are superior and that is why it is dangerous. Regarding wars - Iran, Iraq, Libya, and many other examples (coups) were initiated in the name of liberty and freedom. And notice that all those countries are rich in oil. Regarding Iran specifically, you won't understand until you study the Shai's faith and history which I'm sure you don't have any knowledge or understanding of.
    - goatlover 9d ago
      Was regime change in Iraq and Afghanistan worth it despite how bad their governments were? Even the party of Bush & Cheney seems to think that was a bad idea and Trump ran on no more wars in the ME.
      - spwa4 8d ago
        The problem with that is that certainly for Afghanistan, you know it's easy to talk to Afghans in Europe these days. They are angry that Afghanistan was left behind and are absolutely overwhelmingly of the opinion that regime change was worth it. Now if you ask people in the US if it was worth the cost? That's a different story. The world order effectively depends on free access to the sea and so Afghanistan ... it was never, and will never, work economically. So was it "worth it" in dollars? No. And it won't ever be. If you ask Europeans who insist they "contributed" to the Afghanistan invasion ... well let's just say I've seen several discussions between Afghans and Europeans about whether it was worth it. Those discussions don't work out very well. Afghans are angry not more was done, Europeans retort that a lot was done and it cost too much (the Europeans discussing never actually contributed anything to the effort, of course. Their argument boils down to that they "gave up" government spending (unemployment contributions, education, ...) for Afghanistan and got nothing back) ... and of course tankies believe islamist propaganda. On marxist.com there was literally published that "If Iran wins this war they will complete the revolution and finally we'll get true communism". I mean, read the site, it regularly has, shall we say, questionable logic. But that one, my jaw hit the floor.
    - AndrewDucker 9d ago
      I'd be delighted to replace the current Iranian regime with a less awful collection of people. I have seen no plans which looked like they might make this happen.
    - Jamesbeam 9d ago
      We don’t seem to live in the same universe. The Iranian people will never come out to protest again in masses after how the US betrayed them. The president said "help is on its way", live on TV, they hijacked radio and tv signals in Iran to broadcast it to as many people as possible. The people of Iran went out and got slaughtered like cattle. You think the mothers who lost their sons and daughters, be it us soldiers or Iranians, will just forget that their children died because of an illegal, unnecessary war that was planned by political idiots in a signal group? Thousands of innocent souls died in this war because the US President is an idiot and a liar. The US citizens are held hostage just as much as the Iranian citizens. It’s not the people’s fault. It’s horrible leadership. No help was sent, instead, the inability of the US army to end this war put the US into a position where the regime in Teheran will come out infinitely stronger than before the war. They indeed have "all the cards". Khamenei is not threatening to end the Iranian civilisation and bombing drinking water facilities. It’s the aggressor, the United States of America. They are just missing the R before the US. The best outcome for the rest of the world is not regime change in Iran. It’s regime change in Washington. Preferably non-violent.
      - spwa4 8d ago
        > You think the mothers who lost their sons and daughters, be it us soldiers or Iranians, will just forget that their children died because of an illegal, unnecessary war that was planned by political idiots in a signal group? I think mothers who saw their children get shot will blame the people shooting. Ie. their own country, the IRGC.
        Jamesbeam 8d ago
        No, because they want to know why this happened, and if they had a chance to prevent it, and getting shot by the IRCG is just the consequence of doing what someone else expected of them. Go out and protest and I will bring you freedom and peace and prosperity. That was the promise these kids counted on. They paid for those lies in blood. That blood is on the president’s hands just as much as it is on the hands of the IRCG commanders giving the orders and their henchmen pulling the trigger and you can bet every family who lost someone in this war knows that.
    - aogaili 9d ago
      Liberal ideology will crush anyone and anything that stands on it's way until nothing left but total inner destructions, the west is imploding from within with their OnlyFans subscribers and decaying family and cultural values, yet they condemn anything and anyone who show different stance. Of course there are people who are unhappy with the government, and guess what, there are people unhappy in the US too, but Canada and Mexico doesn't go and arm those people, and if they did, I would be more than certain that the US police and military will slaughter them all. All the countries you mentioned are nothing but proxy to the US empire and their military complex, and anyone with little knowledge of geopolitics understands this.
phendrenad2 9d ago
Paul Graham wins again. His plans are measured in centuries.
- brador 9d ago
  What did he say?
warabe 9d ago
We will see Dive-Shahed come and Trump-class battleships will be blown away...

36 points by harambae 10d ago

goatlover 10d ago

When is this unauthorized war going to end?

sleepyguy 10d ago
When Israel says is over....
aogaili 9d ago
Regime change in Israel or the US.
- spwa4 9d ago
  Or regime change in Iran ... And despite how I feel about the US and Israel's government I do have my head straight: regime change in Iran would be a 1000x better outcome than any of your suggestions. And for everyone, by the way. For Trump. For Netanyahu. For Europe. For gulf countries. For Americans. For Europeans. For Bahraini, Emirati, Qatari, Saudi AND for Iranians. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNTSiF6zujc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNTSiF6zujc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l7Y4HGxhQs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l7Y4HGxhQs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntWwfuvQqrQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntWwfuvQqrQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGke_pPoNUg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGke_pPoNUg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRevVRMHA4c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRevVRMHA4c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxZYxzJJXrE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxZYxzJJXrE DOWN with khamenei!
  - matusp 9d ago
    The problem is that empirically regime changes very rarely lead to stable liberal democracies. Yeah, a magical societal transformation according to exactly our standards sounds great to us. But that is not how this is going to end.
    - aogaili 9d ago
      But who is there to say that liberal democracies are the desired end of goal for all states? That is the problem with liberal democracies it has very little tolerance for almost any other kind of system. How many wars in recent history waged in the name of liberal democracies and freedom?
      - spwa4 8d ago
        > But who is there to say that liberal democracies are the desired end of goal for all states ... Everyone. That's the essence of democracy. It quite literally is what everyone wants. > How many wars in recent history waged in the name of liberal democracies and freedom? Zero? I guess you mean things like the Iran war, if we disregard entirely that Iran has been attacking almost literally everyone, including the US, but also including, uh, Iraq, Israel, Jordan, Turkey, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, ... they attacked fucking Argentina (look at the map, then tell me how ridiculous that is, then check wikipedia to see they did indeed attack Argentina) Sorry I mean "exporting the revolution", with little or not explanation as to why this particular export required killing 600000 Syrian civilians, and certainly 2 million people total. What I just can't understand is why tankies support Iran. I mean, how can you get less communist than Iran? I mean is it the words they use and the propaganda? Idiots.
        aogaili 8d ago
        Given a choice I would rather live in democratic systems - but to say that everyone wants democratic systems tell you are not as exposed as you think you are. There are many failed democracies which resulted in highly bloated and corrupt governments, and these tend to make the situation worse. And there are many states running alternative governance system with success. When you are saying everyone, you are basically projecting your liberal values on others and you are convinced they are superior and that is why it is dangerous. Regarding wars - Iran, Iraq, Libya, and many other examples (coups) were initiated in the name of liberty and freedom. And notice that all those countries are rich in oil. Regarding Iran specifically, you won't understand until you study the Shai's faith and history which I'm sure you don't have any knowledge or understanding of.
  - goatlover 9d ago
    Was regime change in Iraq and Afghanistan worth it despite how bad their governments were? Even the party of Bush & Cheney seems to think that was a bad idea and Trump ran on no more wars in the ME.
    - spwa4 8d ago
      The problem with that is that certainly for Afghanistan, you know it's easy to talk to Afghans in Europe these days. They are angry that Afghanistan was left behind and are absolutely overwhelmingly of the opinion that regime change was worth it. Now if you ask people in the US if it was worth the cost? That's a different story. The world order effectively depends on free access to the sea and so Afghanistan ... it was never, and will never, work economically. So was it "worth it" in dollars? No. And it won't ever be. If you ask Europeans who insist they "contributed" to the Afghanistan invasion ... well let's just say I've seen several discussions between Afghans and Europeans about whether it was worth it. Those discussions don't work out very well. Afghans are angry not more was done, Europeans retort that a lot was done and it cost too much (the Europeans discussing never actually contributed anything to the effort, of course. Their argument boils down to that they "gave up" government spending (unemployment contributions, education, ...) for Afghanistan and got nothing back) ... and of course tankies believe islamist propaganda. On marxist.com there was literally published that "If Iran wins this war they will complete the revolution and finally we'll get true communism". I mean, read the site, it regularly has, shall we say, questionable logic. But that one, my jaw hit the floor.
  - AndrewDucker 9d ago
    I'd be delighted to replace the current Iranian regime with a less awful collection of people. I have seen no plans which looked like they might make this happen.
  - Jamesbeam 9d ago
    We don’t seem to live in the same universe. The Iranian people will never come out to protest again in masses after how the US betrayed them. The president said "help is on its way", live on TV, they hijacked radio and tv signals in Iran to broadcast it to as many people as possible. The people of Iran went out and got slaughtered like cattle. You think the mothers who lost their sons and daughters, be it us soldiers or Iranians, will just forget that their children died because of an illegal, unnecessary war that was planned by political idiots in a signal group? Thousands of innocent souls died in this war because the US President is an idiot and a liar. The US citizens are held hostage just as much as the Iranian citizens. It’s not the people’s fault. It’s horrible leadership. No help was sent, instead, the inability of the US army to end this war put the US into a position where the regime in Teheran will come out infinitely stronger than before the war. They indeed have "all the cards". Khamenei is not threatening to end the Iranian civilisation and bombing drinking water facilities. It’s the aggressor, the United States of America. They are just missing the R before the US. The best outcome for the rest of the world is not regime change in Iran. It’s regime change in Washington. Preferably non-violent.
    - spwa4 8d ago
      > You think the mothers who lost their sons and daughters, be it us soldiers or Iranians, will just forget that their children died because of an illegal, unnecessary war that was planned by political idiots in a signal group? I think mothers who saw their children get shot will blame the people shooting. Ie. their own country, the IRGC.
      - Jamesbeam 8d ago
        No, because they want to know why this happened, and if they had a chance to prevent it, and getting shot by the IRCG is just the consequence of doing what someone else expected of them. Go out and protest and I will bring you freedom and peace and prosperity. That was the promise these kids counted on. They paid for those lies in blood. That blood is on the president’s hands just as much as it is on the hands of the IRCG commanders giving the orders and their henchmen pulling the trigger and you can bet every family who lost someone in this war knows that.
  - aogaili 9d ago
    Liberal ideology will crush anyone and anything that stands on it's way until nothing left but total inner destructions, the west is imploding from within with their OnlyFans subscribers and decaying family and cultural values, yet they condemn anything and anyone who show different stance. Of course there are people who are unhappy with the government, and guess what, there are people unhappy in the US too, but Canada and Mexico doesn't go and arm those people, and if they did, I would be more than certain that the US police and military will slaughter them all. All the countries you mentioned are nothing but proxy to the US empire and their military complex, and anyone with little knowledge of geopolitics understands this.

phendrenad2 9d ago

Paul Graham wins again. His plans are measured in centuries.

brador 9d ago
What did he say?

warabe 9d ago

We will see Dive-Shahed come and Trump-class battleships will be blown away...