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> After hearing of the rumor, OpenAI started researching Navier Stokes with a new internal model. I don't think this part is accurate. OpenAI was researching N

> After hearing of the rumor, OpenAI started researching Navier Stokes with a new internal model. I don't think this part is accurate. OpenAI was researching Navier Stokes before. It's possible that they started on a new approach after hearing of Tristan's success, however that is not proven and I expect we will hear OpenAI's side of the story today.

n2d4 8d ago
You're right — the wording in the doc is that the "first prompt" was sent after learning about the rumor, although this might be the first prompt of this solution approach, not necessarily first prompt to any Navier Stokes solution.
loose-cannon 8d ago
In the PDF: "The route to the Clay problem through a smooth force, options c and d in Fefferman’s statement of the problem, is the route Luis and Diego opened and the one Levent and I had quietly chosen to attack. Almost nobody else I know of was working on it. It is not the direction one arrives at in a few days by giving a model the problem statement. When I heard “forced,” it was a bright red flag." Whether or not they were researching it before isn't the concern.
- treis 8d ago
  This seems unsupported. OpenAI has access to internal models that the general public doesn't have and a compute budget that dwarfs what an NYU professor would have.
  - mswphd 8d ago
    it's very possible they only had to use the massive compute budget because they were trying to plagiarize his work before he published it though, e.g. autonomously do things in ~7 days what he had likely been thinking about for ~1 year.
    - treis 8d ago
      This doesn't really make sense. You don't need massive amounts of computing to plagiarize something. The most nefarious explanation seems to be that they got wind it was possible to solve NS via LLMs and perhaps a small nudge in the right direction.
      - vlovich123 8d ago
        Of course you do if you're a) only given a partial solution b) racing against someone else using a competing AI. The open question was whether their LLM got the nudge in the right direction because it got access to the chat somehow (e.g. automated training that scraped his chat logs) or just a high level "Navier stokes can be solved through LLM". It sounds like the former may have happened although right now we just have an accusation and a weak denial.
      - fn-mote 8d ago
        > You don't need massive amounts of computing to plagiarize something The compute was used to leapfrog the human team, using their ideas and pushing them to a solution of the general problem. Plagiarism isn’t being used in the literal sense.
      - devindotcom 8d ago
        wasn't it reported elsewhere that they used the equivalent of $22M (street) in Astra tokens? obviously it's not the same when you own the machinery but still.
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lern_too_spel 8d ago
Sama himself has now confirmed OpenAI started researching NS after the rumor. "It is true that we tried this because there were rumors on the internet last week that Anthropic's models had solved a millennium problem and we were curious if ours could do it too." https://xcancel.com/sama/status/2097385167002415140 https://xcancel.com/sama/status/2097385167002415140

n2d4 8d ago

You're right — the wording in the doc is that the "first prompt" was sent after learning about the rumor, although this might be the first prompt of this solution approach, not necessarily first prompt to any Navier Stokes solution.

loose-cannon 8d ago

In the PDF: "The route to the Clay problem through a smooth force, options c and d in Fefferman’s statement of the problem, is the route Luis and Diego opened and the one Levent and I had quietly chosen to attack. Almost nobody else I know of was working on it. It is not the direction one arrives at in a few days by giving a model the problem statement. When I heard “forced,” it was a bright red flag." Whether or not they were researching it before isn't the concern.

treis 8d ago
This seems unsupported. OpenAI has access to internal models that the general public doesn't have and a compute budget that dwarfs what an NYU professor would have.
- mswphd 8d ago
  it's very possible they only had to use the massive compute budget because they were trying to plagiarize his work before he published it though, e.g. autonomously do things in ~7 days what he had likely been thinking about for ~1 year.
  - treis 8d ago
    This doesn't really make sense. You don't need massive amounts of computing to plagiarize something. The most nefarious explanation seems to be that they got wind it was possible to solve NS via LLMs and perhaps a small nudge in the right direction.
    - vlovich123 8d ago
      Of course you do if you're a) only given a partial solution b) racing against someone else using a competing AI. The open question was whether their LLM got the nudge in the right direction because it got access to the chat somehow (e.g. automated training that scraped his chat logs) or just a high level "Navier stokes can be solved through LLM". It sounds like the former may have happened although right now we just have an accusation and a weak denial.
    - fn-mote 8d ago
      > You don't need massive amounts of computing to plagiarize something The compute was used to leapfrog the human team, using their ideas and pushing them to a solution of the general problem. Plagiarism isn’t being used in the literal sense.
    - devindotcom 8d ago
      wasn't it reported elsewhere that they used the equivalent of $22M (street) in Astra tokens? obviously it's not the same when you own the machinery but still.

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lern_too_spel 8d ago

Sama himself has now confirmed OpenAI started researching NS after the rumor. "It is true that we tried this because there were rumors on the internet last week that Anthropic's models had solved a millennium problem and we were curious if ours could do it too." https://xcancel.com/sama/status/2097385167002415140 https://xcancel.com/sama/status/2097385167002415140