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Would love to see a more detailed breakdown. In the US, often the highest performers are children of immigrants.

rayiner 9d ago
There is a big difference between different immigrant groups. In the U.S., children of immigrants are also often the lowest performers. The U.S. tracks test scores by race and not immigration status. But looking at test scores for hispanic students is a rough proxy because more than 60% of hispanic students are immigrants or the children of immigrants: https://www.equityinhighered.org/indicators/secondary-school-completion/naep-12th-grade-achievement-levels https://www.equityinhighered.org/indicators/secondary-school.... That means they probably grew up in a household where their parents weren’t native english speakers.
- BeetleB 9d ago
  > There is a big difference between different immigrant groups. In the U.S., children of immigrants are also often the lowest performers. My comment did not preclude either of these from being true. I didn't say "On average, children of immigrants do better in the US." I said "often the highest performers are children of immigrants." > But looking at test scores for hispanic students is a rough proxy because more than 60% of hispanic students are immigrants or the children of immigrants: Looking at the test scores for Asians is also a rough proxy of children of immigrants, and you can see what your link shows: They are the lowest of all groups in being "below average", and the highest of all groups in the top category ("Advanced") - over double the next highest race in math, for example. I expected better reasoning from you, given the whole "Asian and child of immigrants" ;-) (As an aside, not sure how relevant your link is, given that it's from 2015, and the thread is about the shift from 2015 to now).
  - rayiner 9d ago
    I guess I left out what I thought was a shared premise: immigration patterns in Europe are heavily skewed towards refugees and economic migrants. But yes you’re right that the kids of skilled immigrants can score very high (as you’d expect), I just think that’s not as relevant to Europe.
    - BeetleB 9d ago
      Indeed it would be nice that people not lump everything into "immigrants". There are different categories of immigrants. I think it is fair when someone makes a comment about immigrants that applies only to one category, to counter with a comment about immigrants that applies only to a totally different category.
      - rayiner 9d ago
        Fair enough.
PKop 9d ago
> children of immigrants No. Here's your breakdown. https://x.com/cremieuxrecueil/status/2093832541161550111 https://x.com/cremieuxrecueil/status/2093832541161550111
- BeetleB 9d ago
  My comment was about children of immigrants, and you show me a chart that excludes children of immigrants. I don't know what you're trying to say.
immigpolicy 9d ago
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There is a big difference between different immigrant groups. In the U.S., children of immigrants are also often the lowest performers. The U.S. tracks test scores by race and not immigration status. But looking at test scores for hispanic students is a rough proxy because more than 60% of hispanic students are immigrants or the children of immigrants: https://www.equityinhighered.org/indicators/secondary-school-completion/naep-12th-grade-achievement-levels https://www.equityinhighered.org/indicators/secondary-school.... That means they probably grew up in a household where their parents weren’t native english speakers.

BeetleB 9d ago
> There is a big difference between different immigrant groups. In the U.S., children of immigrants are also often the lowest performers. My comment did not preclude either of these from being true. I didn't say "On average, children of immigrants do better in the US." I said "often the highest performers are children of immigrants." > But looking at test scores for hispanic students is a rough proxy because more than 60% of hispanic students are immigrants or the children of immigrants: Looking at the test scores for Asians is also a rough proxy of children of immigrants, and you can see what your link shows: They are the lowest of all groups in being "below average", and the highest of all groups in the top category ("Advanced") - over double the next highest race in math, for example. I expected better reasoning from you, given the whole "Asian and child of immigrants" ;-) (As an aside, not sure how relevant your link is, given that it's from 2015, and the thread is about the shift from 2015 to now).
- rayiner 9d ago
  I guess I left out what I thought was a shared premise: immigration patterns in Europe are heavily skewed towards refugees and economic migrants. But yes you’re right that the kids of skilled immigrants can score very high (as you’d expect), I just think that’s not as relevant to Europe.
  - BeetleB 9d ago
    Indeed it would be nice that people not lump everything into "immigrants". There are different categories of immigrants. I think it is fair when someone makes a comment about immigrants that applies only to one category, to counter with a comment about immigrants that applies only to a totally different category.
    - rayiner 9d ago
      Fair enough.

PKop 9d ago

> children of immigrants No. Here's your breakdown. https://x.com/cremieuxrecueil/status/2093832541161550111 https://x.com/cremieuxrecueil/status/2093832541161550111

BeetleB 9d ago
My comment was about children of immigrants, and you show me a chart that excludes children of immigrants. I don't know what you're trying to say.

immigpolicy 9d ago

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