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why is this downvoted? do people really think OpenAI is snooping at people specifically? like they are looking for good leads into new problems or ideas and the

why is this downvoted? do people really think OpenAI is snooping at people specifically? like they are looking for good leads into new problems or ideas and they found this guy's codex thread and used it? come on man, even for conspiracy theories this is stupid.

gcr 8d ago
this is a highly marketable problem and specific teams at OpenAI were aware of specific competitor efforts. I would be surprised if this were happening on a large scale, but 1. Less than a hundred people in the world are working at this problem, 2. A significant fraction of those happen to work at competing hyperscalers, 3. Those hyperscalers repeatedly show themselves not to take user privacy seriously
- simianwords 8d ago
  I'm not sure what your points 1 and 2 have to do with anything. Both directionally increase the probability of hyperscalers also finding the solution independently. > Those hyperscalers repeatedly show themselves not to take user privacy seriously where? Any examples?
  - hn_acc1 8d ago
    Have you been living under a rock? None of the big tech companies care one bit about user privacy in the US.
    - CamperBob2 8d ago
      That's not an answer.
      - hellohello2 8d ago
        Any degree of tracking what people do is unprivate. Every single web interaction you perform is tracked. All LLM companies store all your conversations by default. Do you need more examples?
      - freejazz 8d ago
        It's one of those questions that sets the bar so low, the conversation might as well not be taking place
HDThoreaun 8d ago
Yes that sounds like something openAI would do to me. Not that they’re just looking through random professors chats but they heard buckmaster made progress on navier stokes and decided to read his chats.
ajnin 8d ago
> https://openai.com/policies/how-your-data-is-used-to-improve-model-performance/ https://openai.com/policies/how-your-data-is-used-to-improve... They explicitly say that they use your "content" to improve their models. Considering they practically have infinite compute at their disposal, why is it surprising that they would look for juicy data in there to make them look good ? When they ingested basically the entirety of human knowledge without regard to the rights of others, when they burn books by the thousands, when their relentless barrage of bots have rendered the Web borderline unusable, why would they stop at that line ?
- simianwords 8d ago
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  - GPerson 8d ago
    You’re always going around insulting people. Does it make you feel powerful? Is it really hard to believe the people who would consume all the world’s data regardless of copyright and norms and permissions would not respect the data privacy of a user?
Panoramix 8d ago
Yes, that would be par course with OpenAI behavior
hn_acc1 8d ago
Even if they claim not to use it, they're probably using it and hoping they don't get caught. They have zero ethics or morals, they just want to "win" to get mega-rich.
jawilson2 8d ago
> do people really think OpenAI is snooping at people specifically yes. Rules and laws are for the poor.
dgellow 8d ago
Obviously, yes
freejazz 8d ago
> do people really think OpenAI is snooping at people specifically? I'd be shocked if they weren't

gcr 8d ago

this is a highly marketable problem and specific teams at OpenAI were aware of specific competitor efforts. I would be surprised if this were happening on a large scale, but 1. Less than a hundred people in the world are working at this problem, 2. A significant fraction of those happen to work at competing hyperscalers, 3. Those hyperscalers repeatedly show themselves not to take user privacy seriously

simianwords 8d ago
I'm not sure what your points 1 and 2 have to do with anything. Both directionally increase the probability of hyperscalers also finding the solution independently. > Those hyperscalers repeatedly show themselves not to take user privacy seriously where? Any examples?
- hn_acc1 8d ago
  Have you been living under a rock? None of the big tech companies care one bit about user privacy in the US.
  - CamperBob2 8d ago
    That's not an answer.
    - hellohello2 8d ago
      Any degree of tracking what people do is unprivate. Every single web interaction you perform is tracked. All LLM companies store all your conversations by default. Do you need more examples?
    - freejazz 8d ago
      It's one of those questions that sets the bar so low, the conversation might as well not be taking place

HDThoreaun 8d ago

Yes that sounds like something openAI would do to me. Not that they’re just looking through random professors chats but they heard buckmaster made progress on navier stokes and decided to read his chats.

ajnin 8d ago

> https://openai.com/policies/how-your-data-is-used-to-improve-model-performance/ https://openai.com/policies/how-your-data-is-used-to-improve... They explicitly say that they use your "content" to improve their models. Considering they practically have infinite compute at their disposal, why is it surprising that they would look for juicy data in there to make them look good ? When they ingested basically the entirety of human knowledge without regard to the rights of others, when they burn books by the thousands, when their relentless barrage of bots have rendered the Web borderline unusable, why would they stop at that line ?

simianwords 8d ago
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- GPerson 8d ago
  You’re always going around insulting people. Does it make you feel powerful? Is it really hard to believe the people who would consume all the world’s data regardless of copyright and norms and permissions would not respect the data privacy of a user?

Panoramix 8d ago

Yes, that would be par course with OpenAI behavior

hn_acc1 8d ago

Even if they claim not to use it, they're probably using it and hoping they don't get caught. They have zero ethics or morals, they just want to "win" to get mega-rich.

jawilson2 8d ago

> do people really think OpenAI is snooping at people specifically yes. Rules and laws are for the poor.

dgellow 8d ago

Obviously, yes

freejazz 8d ago

> do people really think OpenAI is snooping at people specifically? I'd be shocked if they weren't