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> That information is easily available other places Often ease of access in the moment is all that matters. If there's a gun nearby you might shoot someone or

> That information is easily available other places Often ease of access in the moment is all that matters. If there's a gun nearby you might shoot someone or yourself in a heated argument, but are less likely to go and find/buy one to use. Someone who's stopped from attempting a suicide will likely not try again (70%) A bored/depressed/angry/curious person might try to build a pipe bomb if they can find out how easily, but are less likely to put in effort.

jasonvorhe 9d ago
Most adults in Switzerland have guns at home from military duty and none of this is happening. If this claim had any truth to it you'd see significant gun involvement in neighbour disputes and that simply doesn't happen. Depressed people usually don't have the energy to get out of bed so they're even less likely to think of hunting down instructions on how to build pipe bombs. Mass media really has people being scared all the time.
- helsinkiandrew 8d ago
  > If this claim had any truth to it you'd see significant gun involvement in neighbour disputes That’s not what I’m saying, I’m saying there’s more likely to be gun involvement in disputes when people have easy access to guns than when they don’t. For example, when the number of men with service arms fell by 20% the number of men killing themselves dropped by 8% https://www.researchgate.net/publication/328554995_Suicide_by_firearm_in_Switzerland_who_uses_the_army_weapon_Results_from_the_national_survey_between_2000_and_2010 https://www.researchgate.net/publication/328554995_Suicide_b...
- selimthegrim 8d ago
  Ammunition is sealed and accounted for when issued to them.
- not_a_bot_4sho 8d ago
  > from military duty I think this part is important distinction. Military duty comes with training and rules and so on. Compared to untrained persons having access. Similar but apples and oranges
- PenguinHacker 8d ago
  Indeed. I lived 5 years in Switzerland in the 1980’s including in a rented house where the owner left his military-issued rifle at home for us to play with. It was a beautiful weapon, & as Americans we didn’t understand why more disagreements between neighbors weren’t settled using it. But we assumed the Swiss were more homogeneous & polite so that as everyone had a rifle no-one used it. And this was during the Cold War when it was thought that Ronald Reagan would save Europe from any Soviet attack. Though he couldn’t save Switzerland from the effects of Chernobyl which we experienced while living there.
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jasonvorhe 9d ago

Most adults in Switzerland have guns at home from military duty and none of this is happening. If this claim had any truth to it you'd see significant gun involvement in neighbour disputes and that simply doesn't happen. Depressed people usually don't have the energy to get out of bed so they're even less likely to think of hunting down instructions on how to build pipe bombs. Mass media really has people being scared all the time.

helsinkiandrew 8d ago
> If this claim had any truth to it you'd see significant gun involvement in neighbour disputes That’s not what I’m saying, I’m saying there’s more likely to be gun involvement in disputes when people have easy access to guns than when they don’t. For example, when the number of men with service arms fell by 20% the number of men killing themselves dropped by 8% https://www.researchgate.net/publication/328554995_Suicide_by_firearm_in_Switzerland_who_uses_the_army_weapon_Results_from_the_national_survey_between_2000_and_2010 https://www.researchgate.net/publication/328554995_Suicide_b...
selimthegrim 8d ago
Ammunition is sealed and accounted for when issued to them.
not_a_bot_4sho 8d ago
> from military duty I think this part is important distinction. Military duty comes with training and rules and so on. Compared to untrained persons having access. Similar but apples and oranges
PenguinHacker 8d ago
Indeed. I lived 5 years in Switzerland in the 1980’s including in a rented house where the owner left his military-issued rifle at home for us to play with. It was a beautiful weapon, & as Americans we didn’t understand why more disagreements between neighbors weren’t settled using it. But we assumed the Swiss were more homogeneous & polite so that as everyone had a rifle no-one used it. And this was during the Cold War when it was thought that Ronald Reagan would save Europe from any Soviet attack. Though he couldn’t save Switzerland from the effects of Chernobyl which we experienced while living there.

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