> The state paying for things is Capitalism, and the state paying for this isn't Capitalism, in the same comment. I see what you mean. In the first example: t

> The state paying for things is Capitalism, and the state paying for this isn't Capitalism, in the same comment. I see what you mean. In the first example: the context is we're talking about workers vs capitalists. The state is acting like the capitalist in that dichotomy for things like the Manhatten Project. The Manhatten Project wasn't a triumph of the ability for workers to do incredibly complex, expensive, risky projects. The money to do it came from somewhere else than the workers. So the Manhatten Project is not an example of workers over capitalists. In the second example I'm not talking in the frame of "everything is either worker or capital" (which wasn't mine) and introducing the much richer, more dangerous, and more powerful third entity: the state. Because state bailouts are not an example of capitalism.