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It wasn't me. It was the gun. The gun killed the guy! Not me!

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prasadjoglekar 9d ago
To be fair - no one is suggesting the gunslinger shouldn't go to jail or worse. It's using that crime as an excuse to take other people's guns away. In this example, the equivalent would be everyone gets their AI models banned vs. putting the perpetrator of this fraud in jail.
- javcasas 9d ago
  It wasn't me. It was the car. The car ran over and killed the guy! Not me! We have regulations and requirements and licences and insurance in most of the civilized world for dangerous stuff that is intended for public use. Maybe AI should also have some of that.
  - KennyBlanken 9d ago
    > It wasn't me. It was the car. The car ran over and killed the guy! Not me! I know you were referencing AI, but this problem predates AI by decades. Go open up any news website, newspaper, or turn on the TV. "Man struck by speeding car and killed" "Vehicle plows into pizza shop" "Truck takes out telephone pole" ...and these days even bystanders will blur plates in the photos they post. The police won't release any info about the driver, the news won't either. Listen to friends, family, coworkers talk. "I can't believe that car just ran that red light!" "The other day I was almost hit by a car in the crosswalk." "All those cars honking their horns late at night are keeping me awake." Etc. Once you see it, you can't unsee just how thoroughly the auto industry has managed to transfer perception of responsibility from the operator to the object.
    - javcasas 8d ago
      What I have seen is the industry transferring the responsibility from themselves to the object and/or the operator. See the last years of the industry constructing bigger and bigger tank-ish SUVs and pickups, the more aggressive the better. One of these days, they will start putting stuff copied from Carmageddom, and then fake surprise as someone causes a carnage in a road rage incident.

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To be fair - no one is suggesting the gunslinger shouldn't go to jail or worse. It's using that crime as an excuse to take other people's guns away. In this example, the equivalent would be everyone gets their AI models banned vs. putting the perpetrator of this fraud in jail.

javcasas 9d ago
It wasn't me. It was the car. The car ran over and killed the guy! Not me! We have regulations and requirements and licences and insurance in most of the civilized world for dangerous stuff that is intended for public use. Maybe AI should also have some of that.
- KennyBlanken 9d ago
  > It wasn't me. It was the car. The car ran over and killed the guy! Not me! I know you were referencing AI, but this problem predates AI by decades. Go open up any news website, newspaper, or turn on the TV. "Man struck by speeding car and killed" "Vehicle plows into pizza shop" "Truck takes out telephone pole" ...and these days even bystanders will blur plates in the photos they post. The police won't release any info about the driver, the news won't either. Listen to friends, family, coworkers talk. "I can't believe that car just ran that red light!" "The other day I was almost hit by a car in the crosswalk." "All those cars honking their horns late at night are keeping me awake." Etc. Once you see it, you can't unsee just how thoroughly the auto industry has managed to transfer perception of responsibility from the operator to the object.
  - javcasas 8d ago
    What I have seen is the industry transferring the responsibility from themselves to the object and/or the operator. See the last years of the industry constructing bigger and bigger tank-ish SUVs and pickups, the more aggressive the better. One of these days, they will start putting stuff copied from Carmageddom, and then fake surprise as someone causes a carnage in a road rage incident.