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This is a good and bit surprising one. I have a hard time believing the CEO of Palantir has this many generational points I agree with, Zuck too, but I do. htt

This is a good and bit surprising one. I have a hard time believing the CEO of Palantir has this many generational points I agree with, Zuck too, but I do. https://www.techemails.com/p/mark-zuckerberg-peter-thiel-millennials https://www.techemails.com/p/mark-zuckerberg-peter-thiel-mil...

MomsAVoxell 9d ago
Holy crap, Thiel is using deep brainwashing techniques in his mail to Zuck and his people. If you know, you know ..
- Atreiden 9d ago
  I read through it and had a few things I've flagged in my head - the ego fluffing, repeated usage of "Millennial" to the point of redundancy, and the framing of things in terms of "big picture", but can you elaborate on "deep brainwashing techniques"? I'm genuinely interested. This entire email thread feels a bit surreal to me
  - rawgabbit 9d ago
    Thiel says Zuckerberg is special. He is the chosen one. He will lead an entire generation etc. This is a master class in ass kissing.
  - MomsAVoxell 9d ago
    The judicious use of the royal we, is where he triggered my spidey senses. Mark seems to deflect it in his response, also using the royal we. But yeah, the ego fluffing, the fixation on terms, and the dialectic generalizations, this all adds up to some controlled attention-gathering ...
  - hellohello2 9d ago
    There is no redundancy, the keyword is repeated for affective impression. Consider the following example, read this letter while paying close attention: https://xcancel.com/PierrePoilievre/status/1883515485658226876 https://xcancel.com/PierrePoilievre/status/18835154856582268... Notice how often the keyword repeats. It is not repeated to communicate information, but to communicate affective state. If you don't understand how it works, imagine the above letter instead said "Trump", and read it again. Don't focus on what the letter says, instead on how it feels. Actually go and read it again, start to finish. Don't read past this line until you did. Do you see how each time the keyword repeats, it affects your emotional state just a bit more? Can you start to feel it? I'm assuming you hate Trump, but if you don't, just pretend you do. Then read the same letter one more time, imagine it said "Trump" instead and that the Republicans, which you really hate, just got re-elected. Do read it one more time. You must understand that the keyword is repeated for affective impression. Now read the letter again, one last time, slowly. Pay attention to the keyword, and how you feel each time it repeats. Imagine it said really "Trump", and that you really hate him, and what he did to your government. The keyword does repeat, but there is no redundancy. It is repeated for affective impression. It only feels surreal because you are emotionally disinvested. If you actually read the letter over and over, and really imagine how it feels, as if it were of deep concern to you, then you will understand. You seem smart, so I'm sure you will understand. The keyword is repeated for affective impression.
    - Atreiden 4d ago
      This was a very interesting exercise that offered me some new perspective, thank you!
rawgabbit 9d ago
For all the pontificating, Zuckerberg is disliked more than Musk. According to this 2025 survey: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/02/19/how-americans-view-elon-musk-and-mark-zuckerberg https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/02/19/how-ameri...
- MBCook 9d ago
  Musk has ingratiated himself with parts of the political spectrum, or at least had since he later alienated them. I have no idea what his current standing is. So for everything wrong with Musk there are at least some people who like him, amazingly. Zuck has no one.
applfanboysbgon 9d ago
> For Millennials, authenticity, agency, autonomy, idealism, altruism etc all seem to be top of their list of desirable virtues – for better or worse, they are difficult to reconcile with Silicon Valley these days. (Nick Clegg) For better or worse. Right. It is incredible that one can list those five words and say that with a straight face.
9dev 9d ago
Zuck: > While our company has a special role in the lives of this generation, this is likely particularly important for how I show up because I am the most well-known person of my generation. My god these people… I didn’t even know you could be that self-absorbed. It’s jarring.
- dang 9d ago
  Ok, but please don't post unsubstantive comments to HN. We're trying for something different here. (and particularly not unsubstantive+indignant ones, which are the worst for the kind of discussion we're trying for)

MomsAVoxell 9d ago

Holy crap, Thiel is using deep brainwashing techniques in his mail to Zuck and his people. If you know, you know ..

Atreiden 9d ago
I read through it and had a few things I've flagged in my head - the ego fluffing, repeated usage of "Millennial" to the point of redundancy, and the framing of things in terms of "big picture", but can you elaborate on "deep brainwashing techniques"? I'm genuinely interested. This entire email thread feels a bit surreal to me
- rawgabbit 9d ago
  Thiel says Zuckerberg is special. He is the chosen one. He will lead an entire generation etc. This is a master class in ass kissing.
- MomsAVoxell 9d ago
  The judicious use of the royal we, is where he triggered my spidey senses. Mark seems to deflect it in his response, also using the royal we. But yeah, the ego fluffing, the fixation on terms, and the dialectic generalizations, this all adds up to some controlled attention-gathering ...
- hellohello2 9d ago
  There is no redundancy, the keyword is repeated for affective impression. Consider the following example, read this letter while paying close attention: https://xcancel.com/PierrePoilievre/status/1883515485658226876 https://xcancel.com/PierrePoilievre/status/18835154856582268... Notice how often the keyword repeats. It is not repeated to communicate information, but to communicate affective state. If you don't understand how it works, imagine the above letter instead said "Trump", and read it again. Don't focus on what the letter says, instead on how it feels. Actually go and read it again, start to finish. Don't read past this line until you did. Do you see how each time the keyword repeats, it affects your emotional state just a bit more? Can you start to feel it? I'm assuming you hate Trump, but if you don't, just pretend you do. Then read the same letter one more time, imagine it said "Trump" instead and that the Republicans, which you really hate, just got re-elected. Do read it one more time. You must understand that the keyword is repeated for affective impression. Now read the letter again, one last time, slowly. Pay attention to the keyword, and how you feel each time it repeats. Imagine it said really "Trump", and that you really hate him, and what he did to your government. The keyword does repeat, but there is no redundancy. It is repeated for affective impression. It only feels surreal because you are emotionally disinvested. If you actually read the letter over and over, and really imagine how it feels, as if it were of deep concern to you, then you will understand. You seem smart, so I'm sure you will understand. The keyword is repeated for affective impression.
  - Atreiden 4d ago
    This was a very interesting exercise that offered me some new perspective, thank you!

rawgabbit 9d ago

For all the pontificating, Zuckerberg is disliked more than Musk. According to this 2025 survey: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/02/19/how-americans-view-elon-musk-and-mark-zuckerberg https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/02/19/how-ameri...

MBCook 9d ago
Musk has ingratiated himself with parts of the political spectrum, or at least had since he later alienated them. I have no idea what his current standing is. So for everything wrong with Musk there are at least some people who like him, amazingly. Zuck has no one.

applfanboysbgon 9d ago

> For Millennials, authenticity, agency, autonomy, idealism, altruism etc all seem to be top of their list of desirable virtues – for better or worse, they are difficult to reconcile with Silicon Valley these days. (Nick Clegg) For better or worse. Right. It is incredible that one can list those five words and say that with a straight face.

9dev 9d ago

Zuck: > While our company has a special role in the lives of this generation, this is likely particularly important for how I show up because I am the most well-known person of my generation. My god these people… I didn’t even know you could be that self-absorbed. It’s jarring.

dang 9d ago
Ok, but please don't post unsubstantive comments to HN. We're trying for something different here. (and particularly not unsubstantive+indignant ones, which are the worst for the kind of discussion we're trying for)