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When we have a captured government and unaccountable corporations like we do, it seems like the best route is to compete with them via carefully designed not-fo

When we have a captured government and unaccountable corporations like we do, it seems like the best route is to compete with them via carefully designed not-for-profit products which contain strictly good features and none of the enshittified ones, as brainstormed here: https://www.noemamag.com/the-last-days-of-social-media/ https://www.noemamag.com/the-last-days-of-social-media/ Building something as described in that article would cause people to drop all of the existing platforms almost overnight.

unrented7977 9d ago
This is like suggesting fruit and veg could outcompete heroin. You can't compete against someone who is willing to cheat. You can't entice users to a better social network when their addiction to the old one has been engineered to near perfection. There's good reason that our present (and really truly good) alternative social networks haven't taken over Facebook's users. It's designed to be an addictive trap with no escape. You can't pull users away unless you're willing to be an even worse drug. You have to force the other guy to stop cheating for competition to be possible.
- swed420 9d ago
  > This is like suggesting fruit and veg could outcompete heroin. No it's not. > You can't entice users to a better social network when their addiction to the old one has been engineered to near perfection. Sure, not with that attitude. But the article clearly articulates why better platforms could easily exist. Current platforms are filled with bots and slop that makes people hate themselves. The new platform would easily sell itself, and it need not be destructive like you're implying. > There's good reason that our present (and really truly good) alternative social networks haven't taken over Facebook's users. None of the existing alternatives are without problems, and the article spells this out in detail.

unrented7977 9d ago

This is like suggesting fruit and veg could outcompete heroin. You can't compete against someone who is willing to cheat. You can't entice users to a better social network when their addiction to the old one has been engineered to near perfection. There's good reason that our present (and really truly good) alternative social networks haven't taken over Facebook's users. It's designed to be an addictive trap with no escape. You can't pull users away unless you're willing to be an even worse drug. You have to force the other guy to stop cheating for competition to be possible.

swed420 9d ago
> This is like suggesting fruit and veg could outcompete heroin. No it's not. > You can't entice users to a better social network when their addiction to the old one has been engineered to near perfection. Sure, not with that attitude. But the article clearly articulates why better platforms could easily exist. Current platforms are filled with bots and slop that makes people hate themselves. The new platform would easily sell itself, and it need not be destructive like you're implying. > There's good reason that our present (and really truly good) alternative social networks haven't taken over Facebook's users. None of the existing alternatives are without problems, and the article spells this out in detail.