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> you blame the US for Vietnam (instead of the french) I'm all for saying french caused a lot of death and destruction, but the Vietnam war was clearly created

• myrmidon 9d ago
  My view is that France tried to hold on to Indochina unjustifiably for almost a decade after WW2. So they get the blame because the US could have hardly escalated a proxy war without proxies. Not saying America is blameless though, but I do blame France for setting the whole thing up basically (split Vietnam), and for all the wrong reasons, too.
  • orwin 7d ago
    You ought to remember that 40% of french voted communist in 48. Without heavy involvement of CIA and MI6 to curb the movements (including assassinations), the sentiment would probably have grow, which would have stopped the war (also, now that I think about it, it also means that the soviet are even biggest culprits on this as they did kill more french leftist in 5 years than everyone else combined). The more centrist government also would have tried to get out by 49 without the heavy British investment, and later USA support. And during the peace deal in 54, the milk toast also known as Mendes France accepted a first peace deal that the US then refused, and the division of Vietnam was probably US decision too.