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> OpenAI defines [AGI] as "highly autonomous systems that outperform humans at most economically valuable work." Well in that case: Excel reached AGI decades a
by itsyonas 10d ago
> OpenAI defines [AGI] as "highly autonomous systems that outperform humans at most economically valuable work."
Well in that case: Excel reached AGI decades ago. It outperforms humans at the single most economically valuable task in the world: adding up numbers in a spreadsheet. Congratulations, Microsoft :)
- cocoto 10d agoYou forgot the “autonomous” part of the definition.
- unleashhale 10d agoExcel absolutely contains autonomous behavior. And current AI systems still require humans all over the place.
- piloto_ciego 10d agoTo be honest, I wonder if anyone has ever looked at how many jobs MSFT Excel has actually killed? That's an interesting thought.
- uxcolumbo 10d agoKeyword is autonomous [0]. Excel isn't. And I would argue LLMs aren't either. A lot of economically valuable tasks involve manual labor. Can LLMs fix your plumbing? It would help if OpenAI would define what 'most' means and give some examples. Remember they said their LLMs are like a phd level brains? It's just hype and bullsh!ttery. Don't get me wrong, genAI is great and really useful, but it's not AGI imo. And there is no consensus what AGI means, so the industry should come up with an agreed definition first. [0] To me autonomous means self directed, e.g. we humans look at things and then decide which problem or thing to work on. LLMs don't do that. We have to tell them. Yes they might work on a sub task autonomously, but still require human input later on (review), because we can't fully trust its output is correct.
- itsyonas 10d ago> Keyword is autonomous [0]. Excel isn't. No, I didn't forget it. Just as OpenAI made up a definition to support their claim of AGI, so did I.
- uxcolumbo 9d agoHa - ok missed the joke. I think Demis Hassabis has a better take on AGI and he believes it's still years away. ---- "Demis Hassabis says current AI falls short of AGI. Solving hard problems or producing impressive outputs does not prove a system has broad, reliable human-like intelligence. AGI would need creativity, planning, long-term memory, and consistent cross-domain reasoning—qualities current models lack." From: https://www.wisdomai.com/insights/TheAIGRID/demis-hassabis-agi-ai-limits-general-intelligence-a01b029f https://www.wisdomai.com/insights/TheAIGRID/demis-hassabis-a...
- famouswaffles 9d agoYour comment is stupid to be honest. What are you making fun of if your example doesn't meet the 2 criteria the phrase outlines?
- itsyonas 9d agoI am mocking OpenAI for creating an arbitrary definition of AGI that just so happens to suit their product. I would call that intellectual dishonesty.
- famouswaffles 9d agoEvery definiton of AGI is arbitrary lol. Show me the definition everyone agrees on. At least they have one that is useful.