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I own an EV6 and I definitely feel like Kia/Hyundia, especially their EVs, is essentially a different company than the one putting out easily hotwired and unrel

I own an EV6 and I definitely feel like Kia/Hyundia, especially their EVs, is essentially a different company than the one putting out easily hotwired and unreliable cars from just a few years ago.

CobaltFire 10d ago
As a counterpoint: Telluride/Palisade causing fires because they cheaped out on the current/torque sensors in the drive motors for the seats. ICCU failures across their current EV platforms. No fix planned last I heard. It hurts me to point this out because I really, REALLY like where their cars are going. Their new van is EXACTLY what we want, and I'd love an Ioniq 5N. But those failures are critical and speak to a very deep engineering culture issue.
- nothercastle 10d ago
  They extended a 10 year warranty on the iccu. Even though there is no fix that’s probably good enough
- saturn8601 10d ago
  Will never buy Hyundai again(applies to Kia as well). The company management has caused systematic quality problems. They can hire famous designers to put lipstick on a pig but the soul underneath is still ugly. I don't care how good their warranty is. That only matters if time spent trying to get your car serviced for warranty is worthless to you. Most people only have X cars they will owbn in their lifetime (likely singular for most people). Spend a little more and get a Japanese brand that still has some resemblance of shame. This video explains why: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_epwf-IBgU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_epwf-IBgU After watching this I totally understood why so many dumb issues occured: Kia Boys issues: cheaped out on adding a immobilizer in the US only, Canada had laws in place. Engine explosions: Poor manufacturing standards left junk in the engine causing oil starvation which caused spun bearings. Oil consumption: GDI engine design caused excessive burning of oil and deposit layers of gunk if you keep topping up oil. If you don't(and most Hyundai owners expect their car to work like a normal car and not burn up to a qt/1000 mi) then the engine eventually runs dry and explodes(denied warranty as well).
b112 10d ago
Story I heard, was that Hyundai hired away many high-end QA people from Toyota, and because there's no intellectual property treaties between Korea and Japan, there's really nothing Toyota could do about it. They apparently even took plans, detailed documentation, endless amounts of information to Hyundai. I'm not sure of the veracity of that information, but it sure explains how Hyundai became incredibly good, literally overnight. They used to be a joke.
QuantumGood 10d ago
The Kia factory recall key cylinder fix solved the hotwiring issue; and the engines that burn oil last pretty well as long as you keep adding oil. Not saying these countermeasures are solutions, nor that the issues are minor, but they produce a car that can't be easily hotwired and lasts a long time. Some of these cars (older Kia Souls, for example) become a great value if you implement the countermeasures, and also because they have a lower cost of repairs than some Hondas and Toyotas. I learned this because I seemed to find cars that had few problems that had nonetheless been given up for salvage. What I found was that if a stolen car is not recovered quickly enough, insurance will pay the (properly-insured) owner an amount close to the replacement value of the car; they may then recover the car later in the same shape it was stolen in other than a broken window, door handle and steering column cover. They then put it up for auction even though it would be better financially to work with a dealer or fleet network to cherry pick these high value cars that only need some simple fixes. For example, my $2,220 bid won a 2015 Kia Soul+ (49K miles) at auction that a dealer had sold for ~$12,000 some months previous. Bidding competition was light primarily because of the "easily stolen" and "likely to burn oil" issues. But with fees and a few cheap repairs, I got a $12,000 dealer-prepped car for under $4,500. I added remote start, Android Auto and a backup camera, gave it a little ceramic spray coating and got a nice car for my wife. I also threw in a fake $12 steering wheel lock bar as a deterrent. (It's a real bar, but I don't lock it because the "unable to unlock the cheap lock" risk is to me a more likely hassle than a broken window). I considered adding an immobilizer, but the car was stolen with one installed, and I could always add a switch to the battery under the hood in case better-prepared thieves than the "hoping for an easy hotwire" type show up. I love digging into questions and seeing where they lead; this all started with a vague sense that dealers made a lot of money on a high volume of used cars via auction houses, and trying to learn how it worked. This also leads me to argue with AI quite a bit, and until recently, made the idea of AI "thinking" kind of laughable due to its many mistakes once you start following the chain of reasoning.

I own an EV6 and I definitely feel like Kia/Hyundia, especially their EVs, is essentially a different company than the one putting out easily hotwired and unreliable cars from just a few years ago.

CobaltFire 10d ago

As a counterpoint: Telluride/Palisade causing fires because they cheaped out on the current/torque sensors in the drive motors for the seats. ICCU failures across their current EV platforms. No fix planned last I heard. It hurts me to point this out because I really, REALLY like where their cars are going. Their new van is EXACTLY what we want, and I'd love an Ioniq 5N. But those failures are critical and speak to a very deep engineering culture issue.

nothercastle 10d ago
They extended a 10 year warranty on the iccu. Even though there is no fix that’s probably good enough
saturn8601 10d ago
Will never buy Hyundai again(applies to Kia as well). The company management has caused systematic quality problems. They can hire famous designers to put lipstick on a pig but the soul underneath is still ugly. I don't care how good their warranty is. That only matters if time spent trying to get your car serviced for warranty is worthless to you. Most people only have X cars they will owbn in their lifetime (likely singular for most people). Spend a little more and get a Japanese brand that still has some resemblance of shame. This video explains why: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_epwf-IBgU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_epwf-IBgU After watching this I totally understood why so many dumb issues occured: Kia Boys issues: cheaped out on adding a immobilizer in the US only, Canada had laws in place. Engine explosions: Poor manufacturing standards left junk in the engine causing oil starvation which caused spun bearings. Oil consumption: GDI engine design caused excessive burning of oil and deposit layers of gunk if you keep topping up oil. If you don't(and most Hyundai owners expect their car to work like a normal car and not burn up to a qt/1000 mi) then the engine eventually runs dry and explodes(denied warranty as well).

b112 10d ago

Story I heard, was that Hyundai hired away many high-end QA people from Toyota, and because there's no intellectual property treaties between Korea and Japan, there's really nothing Toyota could do about it. They apparently even took plans, detailed documentation, endless amounts of information to Hyundai. I'm not sure of the veracity of that information, but it sure explains how Hyundai became incredibly good, literally overnight. They used to be a joke.

QuantumGood 10d ago

The Kia factory recall key cylinder fix solved the hotwiring issue; and the engines that burn oil last pretty well as long as you keep adding oil. Not saying these countermeasures are solutions, nor that the issues are minor, but they produce a car that can't be easily hotwired and lasts a long time. Some of these cars (older Kia Souls, for example) become a great value if you implement the countermeasures, and also because they have a lower cost of repairs than some Hondas and Toyotas. I learned this because I seemed to find cars that had few problems that had nonetheless been given up for salvage. What I found was that if a stolen car is not recovered quickly enough, insurance will pay the (properly-insured) owner an amount close to the replacement value of the car; they may then recover the car later in the same shape it was stolen in other than a broken window, door handle and steering column cover. They then put it up for auction even though it would be better financially to work with a dealer or fleet network to cherry pick these high value cars that only need some simple fixes. For example, my $2,220 bid won a 2015 Kia Soul+ (49K miles) at auction that a dealer had sold for ~$12,000 some months previous. Bidding competition was light primarily because of the "easily stolen" and "likely to burn oil" issues. But with fees and a few cheap repairs, I got a $12,000 dealer-prepped car for under $4,500. I added remote start, Android Auto and a backup camera, gave it a little ceramic spray coating and got a nice car for my wife. I also threw in a fake $12 steering wheel lock bar as a deterrent. (It's a real bar, but I don't lock it because the "unable to unlock the cheap lock" risk is to me a more likely hassle than a broken window). I considered adding an immobilizer, but the car was stolen with one installed, and I could always add a switch to the battery under the hood in case better-prepared thieves than the "hoping for an easy hotwire" type show up. I love digging into questions and seeing where they lead; this all started with a vague sense that dealers made a lot of money on a high volume of used cars via auction houses, and trying to learn how it worked. This also leads me to argue with AI quite a bit, and until recently, made the idea of AI "thinking" kind of laughable due to its many mistakes once you start following the chain of reasoning.