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This misses the point entirely. What happens when apple inevitably discontinues support for this hardware.

jjtheblunt 10d ago
i have no idea how you think apple silicon will discontinue support for itself. the hypervisor framework documentation, that i linked above, is pretty clear; the linux builds for arm run extremely fast on apple silicon because hypervisor framework gives them hardware access, in some subsystems directly (memory mapping for example), in other systems through a shim (graphics hardware).
- vlovich123 10d ago
  Apple discontinues support for this HW, not Apple discontinues support for running Linux in a hypervisor.
  - jjtheblunt 10d ago
    when apple discontinues support for older hardware, it doesn't get OS software updates. that doesn't disable the hardware from running the latest OS before OS updates for the hardware were ended. On the frozen-in-time OS, you'd still have a working instance of apple silicon hypervisor wrapping optimized drivers that make whatever linux arm build you're running still see the hardware.
    - vlovich123 10d ago
      Some people would like to keep running a system that’s connected to the internet that’s still receiving security updates. Running an outdated host isn’t the best idea.
    - happymellon 10d ago
      So you are wrapping Linux in an insecure and never updating wrapper connected to the internet? Sounds awesome!
GeekyBear 10d ago
The same thing that has previously happened with discontinued Intel Macs or PC hardware that is no longer supported by Windows. You can still boot Linux natively on it.
charcircuit 9d ago
Since the hardware will no longer get security updates for the firmware you should stop using it and move to a newer MacBook. Linux doesn't solve the issue of not getting security updates anymore. For example the FCC does not allow letting users write arbitrary firmware they can run on their devices so this means you legally can't update the Bluetooth or Wifi firmware and need an update from Apple.
- yencabulator 5d ago
  > Linux doesn't solve the issue of not getting security updates anymore. For example the FCC does not allow letting users write arbitrary firmware they can run on their devices so this means you legally can't update the Bluetooth or Wifi firmware and need an update from Apple. My laptop has a wifi+bluetooth card that I can replace in 10 minutes. If and when that card is abandoned by its manufacturer (as Broadcom has done before), I can replace it with a better one.
- boredatoms 9d ago
  Absurdism
  - charcircuit 9d ago
    >§ 2.944 Software defined radios. >(a) Manufacturers must take steps to ensure that only software that has been approved with a software defined radio can be loaded into the radio. https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/47/2.944 https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/47/2.944

i have no idea how you think apple silicon will discontinue support for itself. the hypervisor framework documentation, that i linked above, is pretty clear; the linux builds for arm run extremely fast on apple silicon because hypervisor framework gives them hardware access, in some subsystems directly (memory mapping for example), in other systems through a shim (graphics hardware).

vlovich123 10d ago
Apple discontinues support for this HW, not Apple discontinues support for running Linux in a hypervisor.
- jjtheblunt 10d ago
  when apple discontinues support for older hardware, it doesn't get OS software updates. that doesn't disable the hardware from running the latest OS before OS updates for the hardware were ended. On the frozen-in-time OS, you'd still have a working instance of apple silicon hypervisor wrapping optimized drivers that make whatever linux arm build you're running still see the hardware.
  - vlovich123 10d ago
    Some people would like to keep running a system that’s connected to the internet that’s still receiving security updates. Running an outdated host isn’t the best idea.
  - happymellon 10d ago
    So you are wrapping Linux in an insecure and never updating wrapper connected to the internet? Sounds awesome!

GeekyBear 10d ago

The same thing that has previously happened with discontinued Intel Macs or PC hardware that is no longer supported by Windows. You can still boot Linux natively on it.

charcircuit 9d ago

Since the hardware will no longer get security updates for the firmware you should stop using it and move to a newer MacBook. Linux doesn't solve the issue of not getting security updates anymore. For example the FCC does not allow letting users write arbitrary firmware they can run on their devices so this means you legally can't update the Bluetooth or Wifi firmware and need an update from Apple.

yencabulator 5d ago
> Linux doesn't solve the issue of not getting security updates anymore. For example the FCC does not allow letting users write arbitrary firmware they can run on their devices so this means you legally can't update the Bluetooth or Wifi firmware and need an update from Apple. My laptop has a wifi+bluetooth card that I can replace in 10 minutes. If and when that card is abandoned by its manufacturer (as Broadcom has done before), I can replace it with a better one.
boredatoms 9d ago
Absurdism
- charcircuit 9d ago
  >§ 2.944 Software defined radios. >(a) Manufacturers must take steps to ensure that only software that has been approved with a software defined radio can be loaded into the radio. https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/47/2.944 https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/47/2.944