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If that's what you characterize the US government as, I can only imagine what you characterize some of the other governments around the world. Particularly, fro
by mag7269 11d ago
If that's what you characterize the US government as, I can only imagine what you characterize some of the other governments around the world. Particularly, from the millions of us who migrated to the US legally and willfully and who are very VERY grateful to this country for providing the opportunities people like myself could only dream-of in our former countries.
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- sph 11d ago> HN is extremely left-leaning What kind of mickey mouse political left are you using for reference here? The Dems? HN is extremely american-leaning, whose centre is firmly to the right compared to the rest of the world.
- dgellow 11d ago> whose centre is firmly to the right compared to the rest of the world. Not really, no. Most of the world is under authoritarian regimes that would be seen as more right leaning. Most democracies are also right leaning. What characterizes the US is being extremely capitalistic and pro-corporations
- aliasxneo 11d ago> HN is extremely american-leaning I would agree that's true for Y Combinator, but my experience in the HN _community_ for almost a decade now has suggested that the heavy anti-American sentiment started right around the start of the current administration.
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- InsideOutSanta 11d ago> anti-American sentiment It's always a bit upsetting to me when people conflate criticism of aspects of a country (like its government) with being against that country. I would rather say that it shows that people are pro that country and want it to do better.
- aliasxneo 10d agoFair enough. I do have a specific sentiment in mind, though, and it's not the constructive kind, which I very rarely see anymore. I would classify "anti-American sentiment" as sentiment which is against the Western culture that has predominated since the founding of the country. But it's a slippery slope. If someone love America and wants a revolution to turn it into something historically unrecognizable, does that still make them pro-America? I would say no.
- Petersipoi 11d agoAmerica has the most progressive tax system in the world. There is no other country where the ultra rich pay such percentage of the tax burden. Fuck off with this "Left in the US is center in Europe" bullshit. The EU wishes they were as left as us in a lot of areas. edit: Because this is HN and a lot of you are learning this for the first time: US: $60k salary leads to $50k take home pay, then a less than 10% sales tax Denmark: $60k salary leads to $38k take home pay, then a 25% sales tax All that money you're losing in Denmark is paying for you shittier healthcare. Welcome to a small taste of being outside your echo chamber.
- commoner 10d ago> America has the most progressive tax system in the world. There is no other country where the ultra rich pay such percentage of the tax burden. Nope, not even close. Sort this list by "Highest" and keep in mind that NYC is only one city in the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_rates https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_rates
- drivingmenuts 11d agoSome of y'all are from countries that are in great turmoil. Which is partly or mostly our fault. Maybe we could concentrate on doing less of that.
- what_hn 11d agoIt really is not the fault of the US that Mexico has drug gangs that kill people at random. It's not the fault that Pakistan and India are nearly at war forever. It's not the US fault that many countries support and require female genital mutilation. The US is not as evil as you think.
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- InsideOutSanta 11d ago> It really is not the fault of the US that Mexico has drug gangs that kill people at random This is a direct result of the "war on drugs" perpetrated by the US. The other two are genuinely not the fault of the US, but bringing up two examples where the US wasn't the source of the problem doesn't exactly contradict the original claim.
- throwitaway222 11d agoThe war on drugs definitely didn't cause the drug trade or the murders. If anything it's the fault of leftist US government stance on drugs that weaken border security and allow drugs to get in (and therefore fund more drugs to be produced). And besides all that, the drug trade has been going on for far longer than you know. And including the murders. > Which is partly or mostly our fault. It does contradict the original claim because it's 3 examples of things we didn't cause - and he said "mostly our fault". If it takes 3 seconds to think of things we didn't cause, then the world's craziness is not mostly the fault of America. Mostly the US has a hand in stopping communist governments where the citizens are kept as slaves.
- hiddencost 11d agoAs Stephen Miller loves to remind us, we had the first net emigration in decades this year. They're rounding up legal immigrants and putting them in concentration camps where they're dying because they're being denied medical care.
- customguy 11d agoIf you don't see an issue with the White House constantly posting straight up Nazi memes then that's on you. There's also plenty immigrants in Europe who vote for fascists, so? Turns out you can't just leave your "former" country behind like an old coat, it's still your upbringing and horizon. You are grateful "to the country", but what does that mean while also shrugging off what the people in "the country" are saying? What is left of "the country"? A bunch of papers, rights and money, opportunities for you; let the goons roam and fill their warehouses, keep children, even infants in despicable conditions, because you (think you) have nothing to fear?
- mag7269 10d agoYet billions of people would still want to come here. How do you like them apples?
- customguy 10d agoSo you neither acknowledge nor disagree with any of that. As if it's nothing. I would if you don't care when it falls to fascism, it's not your home. You gave up your "former" country and you're not being a fellow country person in your new one, either, kinda like you don't really show up to this conversation, but worse. Since what you say has no substance it's as if you didn't say it in the first place. It just took up space and time, for nothing. Does that answer your question?
- InsideOutSanta 11d agoHow many of these millions only had to migrate to the US because the US destroyed their countries with war, economic sanctions, covert CIA operations, or other attacks?
- mag7269 10d agoI don’t know, how many? You are the one throwing blanket statements. I’m from Latin America and it’s 100% the fault of some of our own corrupt governments and us people living in those places. Emphasis on “some,” because countries like Chile, Costa Rica, Uruguay and lately Argentina and El Salvador are showing that less government intervention in economic matters and a zero-bullshit policy on crime is how you turn things around to something that reminisces a somewhat livable country.
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- port11 10d agoMany (most?) governments around the world strike no terror on other countries. They don’t go around invading other countries, nor sanctioning them on the basis of belief, nor using their soft/hard power to exert pressure at a global scale. Don’t get me wrong: I’m grateful for many things the USA has done, and for the inventiveness and generosity of its people; but let’s not pretend like their government(s) have been the kindest or most terror-free in the past decades. The USA can be both a good and bad thing. And terrorism, by definition, is a bit of what they do abroad.
- cfloyd 9d agoA lot of that has to do with the fact that they simply do not need to. Many of these countries rely on allies such as the United States to maintain that aggressive posture for them and offer them the opportunity to remain militarily neutral.
- port11 9d agoMaybe? I wonder how well their allies would do if the USA was less… belligerent.