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Or their AI chatbot decides you smell funny and bans you forever with 0 chance of appealing to a human

by nikanj 10d ago

steveBK123 10d ago
Right thats the much more likely issue! Some Google-like reaction in the future where using service X (chat/mail/whatever) from Amazon results in being banned across an entire account which also happens to be the account you wrote all your data to AWS Glacier with for 30 years... oops!
bob1029 10d ago
I think the most realistic concern here is amazon scanning your backups. I totally get it. A lot of the reason for retaining total control over the storage medium is that what is being stored isn't strictly legal. You should locally encrypt 100% of the information you store on someone else's system with strong symmetric encryption. In fact, I think Amazon's legal team would quietly prefer that you do this. Dumping a bunch of bare files named things like: THE.ODYSSEY.2026.2160p.WEB-DL.DDP5.1.DV.HDR.H.265-GROUP.mkv into S3 buckets is probably a bad idea.
- steveBK123 10d ago
  Local encryption is not going to help 100 year recoverability
  - bob1029 10d ago
    Preserving 256 bits is not that difficult.
- esskay 10d ago
  I cant imagine many people are backing up movies/tv shows, certainly not ones readily available should a recovery be needed. I can understand more obscure shows but backing up something like The Odyssey would be a colossal waste of storage and money. (But yes - regardless of what it is, encrypt it)
  - fer 10d ago
    For a while Google Workspace didn't enforce the 5TB per user limit and eventually I had 50TB of suspiciously named backups (for real, you should see my DVD collection). Nothing came out of it except for the enforcement and the pain of moving everything elsewhere again.
  - nikanj 10d ago
    Readily available isn't what it used to be, with optical media going extinct and licenses being in endless churn
    - esskay 10d ago
      I can assure you it is readily available online and always will be. And now that we've had confirmation you basically own nothing then it'll be more prominent than ever.

Or their AI chatbot decides you smell funny and bans you forever with 0 chance of appealing to a human

by nikanj 10d ago

Or their AI chatbot decides you smell funny and bans you forever with 0 chance of appealing to a human

Right thats the much more likely issue! Some Google-like reaction in the future where using service X (chat/mail/whatever) from Amazon results in being banned across an entire account which also happens to be the account you wrote all your data to AWS Glacier with for 30 years... oops!

bob1029 10d ago

I think the most realistic concern here is amazon scanning your backups. I totally get it. A lot of the reason for retaining total control over the storage medium is that what is being stored isn't strictly legal. You should locally encrypt 100% of the information you store on someone else's system with strong symmetric encryption. In fact, I think Amazon's legal team would quietly prefer that you do this. Dumping a bunch of bare files named things like: THE.ODYSSEY.2026.2160p.WEB-DL.DDP5.1.DV.HDR.H.265-GROUP.mkv into S3 buckets is probably a bad idea.

steveBK123 10d ago
Local encryption is not going to help 100 year recoverability
- bob1029 10d ago
  Preserving 256 bits is not that difficult.
esskay 10d ago
I cant imagine many people are backing up movies/tv shows, certainly not ones readily available should a recovery be needed. I can understand more obscure shows but backing up something like The Odyssey would be a colossal waste of storage and money. (But yes - regardless of what it is, encrypt it)
- fer 10d ago
  For a while Google Workspace didn't enforce the 5TB per user limit and eventually I had 50TB of suspiciously named backups (for real, you should see my DVD collection). Nothing came out of it except for the enforcement and the pain of moving everything elsewhere again.
- nikanj 10d ago
  Readily available isn't what it used to be, with optical media going extinct and licenses being in endless churn
  - esskay 10d ago
    I can assure you it is readily available online and always will be. And now that we've had confirmation you basically own nothing then it'll be more prominent than ever.