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> not using a VPN because in some cases VPNs tie to you neatly to an action better than just home internet. With a VPN, you have much less deniability, becaus

> not using a VPN because in some cases VPNs tie to you neatly to an action better than just home internet. With a VPN, you have much less deniability, because its tied to a device often with a username and password.

throw03172019 12d ago
What’s the argument if it’s on your Home internet?
- NoMoreNicksLeft 12d ago
  When I use the VPN, I am connecting to an endpoint that 40 other people are also connected to. Did I download that file, or did one of the other 39 download it? Even the VPN provider can't tell... they keep no logs. I wouldn't want to use the VPN to phone in some bomb threat, that wouldn't even hide me 5 minutes from the feebs, but it's like an impenetrable shield for copyright troll lawyers. Smooth sailing for the last 13 or 14 years, for $3/month. I'd be shocked if anyone in the United States is still downloading stuff without a VPN. There are entire countries that don't have to worry about it, but none in Europe or North America where that is the case.
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  - Joel_Mckay 12d ago
    You do realize many VPN providers are run by intelligence contractors. =3
    - NoMoreNicksLeft 12d ago
      And? Are they going to commit treason and start snitching on me to Hollywood lawyers for shits and giggles? How would that play out do you think?
      - Joel_Mckay 12d ago
        It is not treason if it is a foreign group operating on foreign soil. This was an old Quid pro quo arrangement that predates the Patriot act. Have a nice day =3
        NoMoreNicksLeft 9d ago
        And what do you think the Hollywood lawyers would have to offer in return for such favors? Looks pretty low-value from both sides. Maybe I need to dial up my narcissism a few notches to understand you, I'm just not that important enough to the folks who have the anti-vpn superpowers.
CatchACode 12d ago
What cases are you talking about? My general understanding is that if the VPN provider does not keep any logs, all that is left is timing / bandwidth correlation. If the endpoint you are connecting to isn't compromised and you connect to a high traffic node wouldn't this be essentially impossible? Unless you do some user error stuff like logging into accounts tied to your public persona?
- KaiserPro 12d ago
  > VPN provider does not keep any logs, Thats an assumption. the source is out of date https://vpntesting.com/no-logs/ https://vpntesting.com/no-logs/ but basically the point is, you are indellibly linking your machine to a service. The difference between that an normal internet is because of NAT, you can argue that at home it wasn't your machine, it was someone else on the network.
dymk 12d ago
Depends on the VPN. Mullvad account don’t have a username tied to you.

throw03172019 12d ago

What’s the argument if it’s on your Home internet?

NoMoreNicksLeft 12d ago
When I use the VPN, I am connecting to an endpoint that 40 other people are also connected to. Did I download that file, or did one of the other 39 download it? Even the VPN provider can't tell... they keep no logs. I wouldn't want to use the VPN to phone in some bomb threat, that wouldn't even hide me 5 minutes from the feebs, but it's like an impenetrable shield for copyright troll lawyers. Smooth sailing for the last 13 or 14 years, for $3/month. I'd be shocked if anyone in the United States is still downloading stuff without a VPN. There are entire countries that don't have to worry about it, but none in Europe or North America where that is the case.
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- Joel_Mckay 12d ago
  You do realize many VPN providers are run by intelligence contractors. =3
  - NoMoreNicksLeft 12d ago
    And? Are they going to commit treason and start snitching on me to Hollywood lawyers for shits and giggles? How would that play out do you think?
    - Joel_Mckay 12d ago
      It is not treason if it is a foreign group operating on foreign soil. This was an old Quid pro quo arrangement that predates the Patriot act. Have a nice day =3
      - NoMoreNicksLeft 9d ago
        And what do you think the Hollywood lawyers would have to offer in return for such favors? Looks pretty low-value from both sides. Maybe I need to dial up my narcissism a few notches to understand you, I'm just not that important enough to the folks who have the anti-vpn superpowers.

CatchACode 12d ago

What cases are you talking about? My general understanding is that if the VPN provider does not keep any logs, all that is left is timing / bandwidth correlation. If the endpoint you are connecting to isn't compromised and you connect to a high traffic node wouldn't this be essentially impossible? Unless you do some user error stuff like logging into accounts tied to your public persona?

KaiserPro 12d ago
> VPN provider does not keep any logs, Thats an assumption. the source is out of date https://vpntesting.com/no-logs/ https://vpntesting.com/no-logs/ but basically the point is, you are indellibly linking your machine to a service. The difference between that an normal internet is because of NAT, you can argue that at home it wasn't your machine, it was someone else on the network.

dymk 12d ago

Depends on the VPN. Mullvad account don’t have a username tied to you.