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> people think they will get better privacy/security with a /e/ fairphone when it's actually much worse than an iPhone Does /e/OS illegally collect users' data

> people think they will get better privacy/security with a /e/ fairphone when it's actually much worse than an iPhone Does /e/OS illegally collect users' data for ads and sends a lot of telemetry to their servers like Apple? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34299433 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34299433, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26639261 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26639261

teekert 12d ago
Privacy and security from what is the question. From big tech or from criminals and governments that take your device and plug it into cellebrite machines? I for one prefer to be protected from big tech. Sure GrapheneOS does both, but Apple does not.
nvme0n1p1 12d ago
It's amazing how people still fall for the marketing. Apple is an ad company, just like Google. Advertising and data collection is baked into their OS, store, and core apps. They're just trailing behind revenue-wise by a few years. https://developer.apple.com/documentation/adsupport/asidentifiermanager/advertisingidentifier https://developer.apple.com/documentation/adsupport/asidenti... https://www.fool.com/investing/2023/11/19/apple-secret-digital-advertising-giant-revenue/ https://www.fool.com/investing/2023/11/19/apple-secret-digit...
grapheneos 9d ago
/e/ does have services collecting data on their users which isn't disclosed including user tracking via unique identifiers in the update client. They also spent years sending user speech data to OpenAI without informing users beyond fine print in the terms of use. It's presented as not using Google services but has a whole bunch of Google services with privileged access enabled by default. It even downloads and runs Google Play executables such as droidguard by default with privileged access far beyond the regular app sandbox.
- gib444 8d ago
  > /e/ does have services collecting data on their users which isn't disclosed including user tracking via unique identifiers in the update client. Source? And what else?

teekert 12d ago

Privacy and security from what is the question. From big tech or from criminals and governments that take your device and plug it into cellebrite machines? I for one prefer to be protected from big tech. Sure GrapheneOS does both, but Apple does not.

nvme0n1p1 12d ago

It's amazing how people still fall for the marketing. Apple is an ad company, just like Google. Advertising and data collection is baked into their OS, store, and core apps. They're just trailing behind revenue-wise by a few years. https://developer.apple.com/documentation/adsupport/asidentifiermanager/advertisingidentifier https://developer.apple.com/documentation/adsupport/asidenti... https://www.fool.com/investing/2023/11/19/apple-secret-digital-advertising-giant-revenue/ https://www.fool.com/investing/2023/11/19/apple-secret-digit...

grapheneos 9d ago

/e/ does have services collecting data on their users which isn't disclosed including user tracking via unique identifiers in the update client. They also spent years sending user speech data to OpenAI without informing users beyond fine print in the terms of use. It's presented as not using Google services but has a whole bunch of Google services with privileged access enabled by default. It even downloads and runs Google Play executables such as droidguard by default with privileged access far beyond the regular app sandbox.

gib444 8d ago
> /e/ does have services collecting data on their users which isn't disclosed including user tracking via unique identifiers in the update client. Source? And what else?