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I said it's borderline not-free, not actually not-free so I don't know why you just wrote 7 paragraphs arguing against something I didn't say and have explicitl
by Ajedi32 12d ago
I said it's borderline not-free, not actually not-free so I don't know why you just wrote 7 paragraphs arguing against something I didn't say and have explicitly and repeatedly disclaimed.
Yes, GrapheneOS is free, but it has implemented features that are designed to make it harder to exercise that freedom, namely secure boot which puts it one short step (of baking their key in hardware) away from being exactly what that paragraph describes as not free.
(And I think you are the one misunderstanding the FSF's quote. They're mocking "secure boot" as perverse terminology for what the FSF calls "tivoization" or "lockdown". They're saying those things are one in the same. I personally wouldn't go that far, as I agree with you the software is still free as long as the key used for secure boot is not baked in to the hardware, and I think the security benefits of secure boot are real and not perverse. But the FSF itself is arguing against the whole idea, at least in this article.)
- palata 12d ago> I don't know why you just wrote 7 paragraphs arguing against something I didn't say I argue against something you keep repeating: > GrapheneOS is free, but it has implemented features that are designed to make it harder to exercise that freedom This is wrong. First because it does not make it harder to exercise that freedom, and second because GRAPHENE DID NOT IMPLEMENT IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. People arguing the way you do is, IMO, one of the reasons the "free software" movement lacks credibility. You're just whining because you wish you could have root access on your system without having to install it yourself. I'm out.
- Ajedi32 8d agoI'm confused. Are you saying Graphene doesn't implement secure boot? Or that you don't think requiring users to wipe their phone and install a custom OS build before exercising their freedom makes exercising that freedom harder? > You're just whining because you wish you could have root access on your system This is false, and I think it's intellectually unhealthy to use your perception of a person's motives as an excuse to avoid mentally engaging with the substance of their argument.