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I don't have any financial interest in Julia so I'm a bit confused about the reference to "share holders." I'm just a user. I'm sure there are lots of smart pe

I don't have any financial interest in Julia so I'm a bit confused about the reference to "share holders." I'm just a user. I'm sure there are lots of smart people who found that the language didn't suit their needs. there are also lots of smart people who love using Julia. both things can be true at the same time.

patagurbon 12d ago
There are no language share holders, and note that this account was created an hour ago just to post vague nonspecific gripes about Julia. There are some real issues in the ecosystem. Specifically there is a high proportion of “gradware” because much like other scientific languages there is a high proportion of graduate students doing their projects and then moving on. The language also encourages relying on packages which can break. But juliaup makes this easy enough to solve by downgrading.
- lalalanananana 12d ago
  There are vc investments and other corporate sponsors which heavily dictate the language and it's ecosystem.
  - patagurbon 12d ago
    They dictate what their employees are paid to work on, there are no VC investments in The Julia Programming Language It’s true that MIT and a few other organizations have more influence than others simply because they employ more developers with time/scope to work on the language. Just like every programming language. But this becomes less true all the time. And most of the direction that is “paid for” is an unadulterated good: JuliaC ahead of time compilation has been requested for over a decade and has made enormous progress.
    - lalalanananana 12d ago
      If you think this has no effect on core contributions or directionality for the language I have a crazy deal on a timeshare
      - postflopclarity 11d ago
        I have submitted plenty of core contributions, none of which were directed or paid for by VC. the language contributions come from those sufficiently motivated to contribute. if you want to change the direction, you need to do some work.
        lalalanananana 11d ago
        I have core contributions to the language too. I think you misunderstood my sentiment. That's okay. In a few years you'll probably be where I am now. Setting a reminder for 2 years.

patagurbon 12d ago

There are no language share holders, and note that this account was created an hour ago just to post vague nonspecific gripes about Julia. There are some real issues in the ecosystem. Specifically there is a high proportion of “gradware” because much like other scientific languages there is a high proportion of graduate students doing their projects and then moving on. The language also encourages relying on packages which can break. But juliaup makes this easy enough to solve by downgrading.

lalalanananana 12d ago
There are vc investments and other corporate sponsors which heavily dictate the language and it's ecosystem.
- patagurbon 12d ago
  They dictate what their employees are paid to work on, there are no VC investments in The Julia Programming Language It’s true that MIT and a few other organizations have more influence than others simply because they employ more developers with time/scope to work on the language. Just like every programming language. But this becomes less true all the time. And most of the direction that is “paid for” is an unadulterated good: JuliaC ahead of time compilation has been requested for over a decade and has made enormous progress.
  - lalalanananana 12d ago
    If you think this has no effect on core contributions or directionality for the language I have a crazy deal on a timeshare
    - postflopclarity 11d ago
      I have submitted plenty of core contributions, none of which were directed or paid for by VC. the language contributions come from those sufficiently motivated to contribute. if you want to change the direction, you need to do some work.
      - lalalanananana 11d ago
        I have core contributions to the language too. I think you misunderstood my sentiment. That's okay. In a few years you'll probably be where I am now. Setting a reminder for 2 years.