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I don’t oppose that. What makes you think all Republicans would? I want every single voter to have access to their vote, and I want strict proof that every vo

I don’t oppose that. What makes you think all Republicans would? I want every single voter to have access to their vote, and I want strict proof that every vote cast was the knowledgeable will of that voter ( and only that voter. I’m thinking of ballot dumps at collection boxes here. ) The distinction between fraud and error doesn’t matter to me. The system has problems, ineligible voters have been casting votes. Nobody should oppose efforts to fix it.

hackyhacky 13d ago
> I don’t oppose that. What makes you think all Republicans would? Because your elected GOP representatives consistently vote against it, when universally available ID is presented by Democrats as a condition for voter ID laws. Do you have a plausible explanation for why GOP Congressmen would reject that proposal? I sure do. > Nobody should oppose efforts to fix it. First you have to prove that there is a problem to fix. Fraud, as we've covered, has never been shown to be a significant issue, and software bugs, as I noted, are not cured by invasive and illegal USPS tactics. So what in your view could possibly be fixed by this latest move?
ModernMech 13d ago
> What makes you think all Republicans would? It doesn't matter when the guy leading the charge is an actual insurrectionist, who was caught trying to twist the arm of Georgia's governor to throw the election for him. What's even the point of voting if the President is just going to call up the governor and threaten to investigate him if he doesn't get his way? The people pushing this have a massive credibility problem and it's never going to go anywhere until more credible people, like yourself, are writing the bills and making the case you're making here from the Senate floor. > The distinction between fraud and error doesn’t matter to me. The system has problems, ineligible voters have been casting votes. Nobody should oppose efforts to fix it. There's a huge actual distinction between the two in that you can't fix all errors, nor can you prosecute errors (not accounting for negligence). Moreover, every system is going to have some amount of fraud; it's impossible to reduce fraud to zero without increasing costs to infinity. So at some level you have to make a choice between a flawed system and a system that's intractable. Here's more recent proof that the system is working as intended: https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/atlanta/potential-non-citizens-georgia-voter-rolls-no-widespread-fraud/7OFPUZFVPRAH7KGZY73U5J7LLU/ https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/atlanta/potential-non-citiz... The audit estimated that no more than 0.1% of voter registration records would have allowed someone to vote despite an unverified identity, invalid address, or citizenship-related issue. So that's what we've talking about really, driving a 0.1% down to some other smaller infinitesimal number which cannot be 0, because even the perfect system would be subject to human errors.

hackyhacky 13d ago

> I don’t oppose that. What makes you think all Republicans would? Because your elected GOP representatives consistently vote against it, when universally available ID is presented by Democrats as a condition for voter ID laws. Do you have a plausible explanation for why GOP Congressmen would reject that proposal? I sure do. > Nobody should oppose efforts to fix it. First you have to prove that there is a problem to fix. Fraud, as we've covered, has never been shown to be a significant issue, and software bugs, as I noted, are not cured by invasive and illegal USPS tactics. So what in your view could possibly be fixed by this latest move?

ModernMech 13d ago

> What makes you think all Republicans would? It doesn't matter when the guy leading the charge is an actual insurrectionist, who was caught trying to twist the arm of Georgia's governor to throw the election for him. What's even the point of voting if the President is just going to call up the governor and threaten to investigate him if he doesn't get his way? The people pushing this have a massive credibility problem and it's never going to go anywhere until more credible people, like yourself, are writing the bills and making the case you're making here from the Senate floor. > The distinction between fraud and error doesn’t matter to me. The system has problems, ineligible voters have been casting votes. Nobody should oppose efforts to fix it. There's a huge actual distinction between the two in that you can't fix all errors, nor can you prosecute errors (not accounting for negligence). Moreover, every system is going to have some amount of fraud; it's impossible to reduce fraud to zero without increasing costs to infinity. So at some level you have to make a choice between a flawed system and a system that's intractable. Here's more recent proof that the system is working as intended: https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/atlanta/potential-non-citizens-georgia-voter-rolls-no-widespread-fraud/7OFPUZFVPRAH7KGZY73U5J7LLU/ https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/atlanta/potential-non-citiz... The audit estimated that no more than 0.1% of voter registration records would have allowed someone to vote despite an unverified identity, invalid address, or citizenship-related issue. So that's what we've talking about really, driving a 0.1% down to some other smaller infinitesimal number which cannot be 0, because even the perfect system would be subject to human errors.