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Where is he fomenting racial hatred? He's opposed to mass migration and as someone who finds the local culture erased in places my family is from and where i'v

Where is he fomenting racial hatred? He's opposed to mass migration and as someone who finds the local culture erased in places my family is from and where i've lived i can only say I agree. It was never something the local population was in agreement with anyways. A plainly purposefull democratic deficit and more of a slippery slope than I expected since it gets more and more pushed by the same migrants and rootless cosmopolitans that couldn't handle the cognitive dissonance that they might be an outlier and others might feel more tied to their nation or assimilate. After all it wasn't too long ago that progressives were calling people bigots for saying these migrants would not assimilate like some minor culturally similar migrant flows of the past. Now that script has flipped, done a 180 and they collectively developed rapid Alzheimers? I also remember getting the same insults thrown at me for supporting policy that was impossible and fashistic. yet now we do do things take nationality from naturalised dual nationals who are serious criminals, terrorists and the like and it's supported by the same parties and people that were throwing names and continue to do so. I think much of this is all far too late so why would I give a shit about your desperate attempts to keep social cooling going.

drcongo 14d ago
Nobody is asking you to give a shit, yet somehow you managed to post a 225 word 5 paragraph screed on something you don't give a shit about. Why should we give a shit about your ramblings?
- modo_mario 14d ago
  Nowhere did I write I don't give a shit about this. I said I don't give a shit about attempts to force social cooling anymore. Your reading comprehension is lacking.
  - drcongo 14d ago
    Nobody is attempting to force social cooling. How is any of this being forced upon you?
    - modo_mario 14d ago
      If you have a set of opinions and people who vehemently oppose them start pushing a bandwagon where they twist your words to make them sound more extreme and typify them with the worst descriptors they can think of (nazi, antivaxer, etc) , spread all this around and then call for boycots of you and anyone that associates with you what would you call that? I disagree with some of his views but can see it across the board. One doesn't have to agree with him or others to take note and this doesn't affect only some well known rich people. It's far more pervasive and from my perspective it is pushing self-censorship and conformity under a pervasive reputation economy. That is social cooling and it's often done purposefully. Once one of your oppinions sticks out and bumps into this wall it becomes very easy to see how often it actually applies. How falling too much out of line on one front creates all kinds of connected assumptions about anything else you might say. From there it is easily visible how it pushes a lot of people to political fringes (helped by the social media bubbles) and has other consequences.
      - croon 13d ago
        > If you have a set of opinions and people who vehemently oppose them start pushing a bandwagon where they twist your words to make them sound more extreme and typify them with the worst descriptors they can think of (nazi, antivaxer, etc) , spread all this around and then call for boycots of you and anyone that associates with you what would you call that? I can't argue on specifics because you only mention a "set of opinions", but have you entertained the idea that some opinions held by someone who doesn't necessarily identify as bigoted/hateful/illwilling can still be weaponized as such? How do you view the electorate of 1930s Germany? Personally I think very few of them were racists or fascists, but yet their votes were what led to "Nazi Germany". I believe you when you say you're unfairly labeled, and I also believe many more are. I however simultaneously believe that good people fall in with propaganda by piecemeal, that lead to much worse, and that "woke" people are rightfully upset by this.
        modo_mario 13d ago
        >I can't argue on specifics because you only mention a "set of opinions", I kept it broad since it applies broadly. Region specific separatism and struggles for self determination, migration, covid response, etc I have piles of experiences so think this discussion is better had with some wide framing which is hard to do candidly over text without writing a book (and putting out too much personal info for more eyes) but I'd love to hop on a call some time if you'd like. I find that it also makes people more receptive to eachothers points and ideas if they see/hear a living breathing human with often similar fundamentals. > but have you entertained the idea that some opinions held by someone who doesn't necessarily identify as bigoted/hateful/illwilling can still be weaponized as such? I agree but i don't consider this a onesided thing. In fact it becomes very evident when essentially the same positions are firmly branded left wing or right wing depending on the country and context. >Personally I think very few of them were racists or fascists, but yet their votes were what led to "Nazi Germany". I agree and not only were they as human as you and me and shaped and misled by their circumstances I think this kind of stuff applies much more broadly than this popular extreme pivotal point around which a lot of western viewpoints revolve. From a consequentialist perspective it's remarkably common to see people actively pushing towards outcomes they don't want or towards extremes they don't quite support trough nothing but innapropriate tying togheter of ideas or the power of words. > that "woke" people are rightfully upset by this. On some fronts they are. On others I've found that people weren't exactly pulled towards their respective (extreme) political bubble. They were shoved towards it by people who consider themselves very righteous and on occasion would "prefer a pagan to a heretic" or by reality not bending towards pure expectations and kneejerk reactions when faced with that.

drcongo 14d ago

Nobody is asking you to give a shit, yet somehow you managed to post a 225 word 5 paragraph screed on something you don't give a shit about. Why should we give a shit about your ramblings?

modo_mario 14d ago
Nowhere did I write I don't give a shit about this. I said I don't give a shit about attempts to force social cooling anymore. Your reading comprehension is lacking.
- drcongo 14d ago
  Nobody is attempting to force social cooling. How is any of this being forced upon you?
  - modo_mario 14d ago
    If you have a set of opinions and people who vehemently oppose them start pushing a bandwagon where they twist your words to make them sound more extreme and typify them with the worst descriptors they can think of (nazi, antivaxer, etc) , spread all this around and then call for boycots of you and anyone that associates with you what would you call that? I disagree with some of his views but can see it across the board. One doesn't have to agree with him or others to take note and this doesn't affect only some well known rich people. It's far more pervasive and from my perspective it is pushing self-censorship and conformity under a pervasive reputation economy. That is social cooling and it's often done purposefully. Once one of your oppinions sticks out and bumps into this wall it becomes very easy to see how often it actually applies. How falling too much out of line on one front creates all kinds of connected assumptions about anything else you might say. From there it is easily visible how it pushes a lot of people to political fringes (helped by the social media bubbles) and has other consequences.
    - croon 13d ago
      > If you have a set of opinions and people who vehemently oppose them start pushing a bandwagon where they twist your words to make them sound more extreme and typify them with the worst descriptors they can think of (nazi, antivaxer, etc) , spread all this around and then call for boycots of you and anyone that associates with you what would you call that? I can't argue on specifics because you only mention a "set of opinions", but have you entertained the idea that some opinions held by someone who doesn't necessarily identify as bigoted/hateful/illwilling can still be weaponized as such? How do you view the electorate of 1930s Germany? Personally I think very few of them were racists or fascists, but yet their votes were what led to "Nazi Germany". I believe you when you say you're unfairly labeled, and I also believe many more are. I however simultaneously believe that good people fall in with propaganda by piecemeal, that lead to much worse, and that "woke" people are rightfully upset by this.
      - modo_mario 13d ago
        >I can't argue on specifics because you only mention a "set of opinions", I kept it broad since it applies broadly. Region specific separatism and struggles for self determination, migration, covid response, etc I have piles of experiences so think this discussion is better had with some wide framing which is hard to do candidly over text without writing a book (and putting out too much personal info for more eyes) but I'd love to hop on a call some time if you'd like. I find that it also makes people more receptive to eachothers points and ideas if they see/hear a living breathing human with often similar fundamentals. > but have you entertained the idea that some opinions held by someone who doesn't necessarily identify as bigoted/hateful/illwilling can still be weaponized as such? I agree but i don't consider this a onesided thing. In fact it becomes very evident when essentially the same positions are firmly branded left wing or right wing depending on the country and context. >Personally I think very few of them were racists or fascists, but yet their votes were what led to "Nazi Germany". I agree and not only were they as human as you and me and shaped and misled by their circumstances I think this kind of stuff applies much more broadly than this popular extreme pivotal point around which a lot of western viewpoints revolve. From a consequentialist perspective it's remarkably common to see people actively pushing towards outcomes they don't want or towards extremes they don't quite support trough nothing but innapropriate tying togheter of ideas or the power of words. > that "woke" people are rightfully upset by this. On some fronts they are. On others I've found that people weren't exactly pulled towards their respective (extreme) political bubble. They were shoved towards it by people who consider themselves very righteous and on occasion would "prefer a pagan to a heretic" or by reality not bending towards pure expectations and kneejerk reactions when faced with that.