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It's mostly extreme hyperbole and twisting of his views if anything. One of his criticisms was the virulent attacks on anyone that questioned policy during cov

It's mostly extreme hyperbole and twisting of his views if anything. One of his criticisms was the virulent attacks on anyone that questioned policy during covid. He for example prefered the Danish approach and they still ended up doing better than the UK or US. I also can't help but see the folks clamoring for mass migration for the past 2 decades in europe against popular will as anything other than blind oikophobes. If you'd look at my capital and other places you'd question who is actually calling for ethnic cleansing.

vintagedave 14d ago
I think caution re cultural integration, vs talking about shooting wolves and calling for deportations using a word regarded as a slur, are two different things. (Both these are within the same paragraph, adjacent sentences.) It does not read as twisting of his views: he has it right in writing on his blog. https://world.hey.com/dhh/wolves-sheep-and-gypsies-ba44af6a https://world.hey.com/dhh/wolves-sheep-and-gypsies-ba44af6a Remember one of the tactics is to sound reasonable, while stretching what is acceptable speech. This lets those who approach with bad faith defend the statements while approving of what they imply or lead to.
- modo_mario 14d ago
  >I think caution re cultural integration.... are two different things. I was called similar for much milder views and past caution. I stood by in discussion further in the past when people got attacked in that way lest id be perceived badly and out of line with my ohter progressive views. No caution was had. Now it's too late. You can't reasonably wish to undo most of it. (Denaturalising people who are abusing or comiting crime is not that) I honestly see my culture as a dead one down the line. All so we could supress wages and pretend to hold up a pyramid scheme whilst doing some social signaling. That doesn't mean i should forget, forgive myself and others and go along. I've developed a strong dislike for the social cooling that got us there in conflict with the opinions of the majority of the public. I no longer want to be overly nuanced and I am more than able to remember and throw back every past claim and defense regarding all this i read countless times a decade or 2 ago. > vs talking about shooting wolves and calling for deportations using a word regarded as a slur It's a stupid analogy. That said deportations within the law of foreign nationals that have no permission to be there is a historic normality the world over. The slur i can see tho i also don't give it much weight because I think it's one squarely on the euphemism threadmil. I used to argue your very point roughly a decade ago alongside an american against a polish friend who was very much opposed to them. Putting his grandma in the hospital over a bike, killing a mates dog along the whole cultural chasm with forced marriages and attitudes towards education and authority really didn't sit well which i could see. But i thought words have power and will worsen the situation and generalisation. But in the end the word gypsies will be forced out of the vocab, zigeuner/cigany will go as well and then roma will be used with those conotations all whilst useful change is sidestepped. I think Slavoj Žižek had a good bit on this. >Remember one of the tactics is to sound reasonable, while stretching what is acceptable speech. This lets those who approach with bad faith defend the statements while approving of what they imply or lead to. And the opposite has happened as well and has had far far more impact. Curtailing what is acceptable speech to defend in bad faith and hide what it's all leading to.

vintagedave 14d ago

I think caution re cultural integration, vs talking about shooting wolves and calling for deportations using a word regarded as a slur, are two different things. (Both these are within the same paragraph, adjacent sentences.) It does not read as twisting of his views: he has it right in writing on his blog. https://world.hey.com/dhh/wolves-sheep-and-gypsies-ba44af6a https://world.hey.com/dhh/wolves-sheep-and-gypsies-ba44af6a Remember one of the tactics is to sound reasonable, while stretching what is acceptable speech. This lets those who approach with bad faith defend the statements while approving of what they imply or lead to.

modo_mario 14d ago
>I think caution re cultural integration.... are two different things. I was called similar for much milder views and past caution. I stood by in discussion further in the past when people got attacked in that way lest id be perceived badly and out of line with my ohter progressive views. No caution was had. Now it's too late. You can't reasonably wish to undo most of it. (Denaturalising people who are abusing or comiting crime is not that) I honestly see my culture as a dead one down the line. All so we could supress wages and pretend to hold up a pyramid scheme whilst doing some social signaling. That doesn't mean i should forget, forgive myself and others and go along. I've developed a strong dislike for the social cooling that got us there in conflict with the opinions of the majority of the public. I no longer want to be overly nuanced and I am more than able to remember and throw back every past claim and defense regarding all this i read countless times a decade or 2 ago. > vs talking about shooting wolves and calling for deportations using a word regarded as a slur It's a stupid analogy. That said deportations within the law of foreign nationals that have no permission to be there is a historic normality the world over. The slur i can see tho i also don't give it much weight because I think it's one squarely on the euphemism threadmil. I used to argue your very point roughly a decade ago alongside an american against a polish friend who was very much opposed to them. Putting his grandma in the hospital over a bike, killing a mates dog along the whole cultural chasm with forced marriages and attitudes towards education and authority really didn't sit well which i could see. But i thought words have power and will worsen the situation and generalisation. But in the end the word gypsies will be forced out of the vocab, zigeuner/cigany will go as well and then roma will be used with those conotations all whilst useful change is sidestepped. I think Slavoj Žižek had a good bit on this. >Remember one of the tactics is to sound reasonable, while stretching what is acceptable speech. This lets those who approach with bad faith defend the statements while approving of what they imply or lead to. And the opposite has happened as well and has had far far more impact. Curtailing what is acceptable speech to defend in bad faith and hide what it's all leading to.