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Is it actually exploited for fraud though? It doesn’t matter if they send me 10 ballots - I can still go to jail for voting more than once. I think you’re givi

by dabinat 14d ago

Is it actually exploited for fraud though? It doesn’t matter if they send me 10 ballots - I can still go to jail for voting more than once. I think you’re giving too much credence to someone whose argument was disingenuous. It was never about the security of elections, it was about people using mail-in ballots to not vote for him.

developerDan 14d ago
> Is it actually exploited for fraud though? We may never know, every single time I see or hear this comment there is never any data/proof to back it up. Remember: nothing was wrong with how we vote in 2016 and this suddenly became an issue in 2020.
- 0cf8612b2e1e 14d ago
  We absolutely do know. Study after study has found actual voter fraud to be practically non existent. What does happen a tiny but measurable amount of time: John Smith signing on the line of the wrong John Smith. Actual, intentional rampant fraud has not been documented.
  - what 14d ago
    I’m sorry, but how can you demonstrate that there is no fraud when the identity of people voting is not verified? You simply can not. At best you can say the ballots cast are all for registered voters, but not that they actually cast them.
    - fzeroracer 14d ago
      Because it is trivial to identify the people who vote by mail. This complaint comes up over and over and over and over and over again by people that have spent zero seconds actually looking into how verification is done. You compare the signature with what's on the voter record. You check records to see if they passed away recently. Then you can compare addresses and any other personal details. This is more than enough information to strongly verify that the person who voted was who they say. It's why fraud is rare and why the cases of attempted mass voting fraud are immediately identified (see: Leslie McCrae Dowless)
- Tostino 14d ago
  And then in 2024, somehow not an issue again. Crazy how that happens.

by dabinat 14d ago

developerDan 14d ago

> Is it actually exploited for fraud though? We may never know, every single time I see or hear this comment there is never any data/proof to back it up. Remember: nothing was wrong with how we vote in 2016 and this suddenly became an issue in 2020.

0cf8612b2e1e 14d ago
We absolutely do know. Study after study has found actual voter fraud to be practically non existent. What does happen a tiny but measurable amount of time: John Smith signing on the line of the wrong John Smith. Actual, intentional rampant fraud has not been documented.
- what 14d ago
  I’m sorry, but how can you demonstrate that there is no fraud when the identity of people voting is not verified? You simply can not. At best you can say the ballots cast are all for registered voters, but not that they actually cast them.
  - fzeroracer 14d ago
    Because it is trivial to identify the people who vote by mail. This complaint comes up over and over and over and over and over again by people that have spent zero seconds actually looking into how verification is done. You compare the signature with what's on the voter record. You check records to see if they passed away recently. Then you can compare addresses and any other personal details. This is more than enough information to strongly verify that the person who voted was who they say. It's why fraud is rare and why the cases of attempted mass voting fraud are immediately identified (see: Leslie McCrae Dowless)
Tostino 14d ago
And then in 2024, somehow not an issue again. Crazy how that happens.