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Humanity has built the records of FATE by accident

32 points by miniBill 16d ago

PaulHoule 16d ago
Are they chatting with chatbots or betting on sports?
- MarkusQ 16d ago
  Bingo. Some of them we probably also live streaming their reactions to the game. And some were working. And I'll bet more than a few were doom scrolling. Or playing Pokemon. Or arguing politics online (possibly with bots, but not knowingly). Or doing one of the 50000 things that I haven't heard of.
- derefr 16d ago
  Some of them were probably using an LLM as a fancy search engine to look up the rules of baseball.
  - acheron 16d ago
    The Red Sox/Blue Jays game recently when the “fourth out” rule came into play probably could have used an LLM explanation.
    - PaulHoule 16d ago
      Reminds me of the poorly coached American football team I saw that gave up 150 yards in penalties and got “offsides” so many times I thought it was the other kind of football.
- Game_Ender 16d ago
  They could even be asking chatbots about how to bet.
areoform 16d ago
I think a better framework to look at it is the follow quote from Terminator 2: Judgment Day, Watching John with the machine, it was suddenly so clear. The terminator would never stop. It would never leave him, and it would never hurt him, never shout at him, or get drunk and hit him, or say it was too busy to spend time with him. It would always be there. And it would die to protect him. Of all the would-be fathers who came and went over the years, this thing, this machine, was the only one who measured up. In an insane world, it was the sanest choice. In so many ways, I am deeply uncomfortable with how these entities are being shepherded. However, at the same time, what they promise, what they offer is worth foregoing that risk. Not everyone in this world gets to have a father. Or, mother, a teacher, a safe place, a patient ear. Provided we don't spike the ball, as these systems grow in sophistication, they also grow in their ability to provide care. In a cruel world, I can see their descendants becoming the most humane choice, especially for those most at risk from the world. A machine that never tires, with infinite patience, resolve and care, looking out for the person that they're assigned to and growing with them and through them. It's why everyone needs to be able to tinker, experiment and play with them. The right to access. The right to create. The right to grow these machines... And eventually, we'll need ti start having some very uncomfortable conversations about Silicon rights.
- PaulHoule 16d ago
  One of the ways post-humanism manifests in The Terminator franchise: a biological man can never measure up to a mechanical man.
  - genxy 16d ago
    I am not jealous of the Rabbit 2000, I am in awe.
- gorjusborg 16d ago
  This point of view is twisted and disturbing. I'm sorry for those who don't have people in their lives, but machines aren't a substitute, and that lack shouldn't be used to justify a right to unbounded freedom to experiment without regard for the possible negative consequences.
nh23423fefe 16d ago
I thought Chrono Cross was terrible, even more so when you consider how amazing Chrono Trigger was.
- marginalia_nu 16d ago
  Both are pretty good, but if you go into the former expecting the latter, you're in for a disappointment. The former is best enjoyed as a separate experience.
- infotainment 16d ago
  It had amazing music and visuals, but the story made absolutely no sense, and consequently the game fails as a sequel to Chrono Trigger IMO. If, for some reason, you want to enjoy reading a lengthy online screed about the issues with Cross's storyline, I recommend this: https://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Chrono_Cross_-_A_Mea_Culpa_for_a_Sea_of_Plot_Holes.html https://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Chrono_Cross_-_A_Mea_C...
- mock-possum 16d ago
  Oh hush, chrono cross was fine. It had a neat elemental combo battle system, an excellent soundtrack, a story that basically made no fucking sense, and like a million optional characters. It was fine.
Apreche 16d ago
How naive of you to think it was by accident.
marginalia_nu 16d ago
NG Resonance from Deus Ex II is arguably an even more on-point comparison.
shermantanktop 16d ago
> Recently, I was at a baseball game with my partner. One of the reasons I enjoy going to baseball games in person is to watch the crowd. As I looked around, however, I noticed something different: many people had tuned out of the game and were instead on their phones, talking to various chatbots: ChatGPT, Claude and Grok. I’d like the author to describe how they knew what specific applications these many people were using on their phones, all around them at a baseball game. Many of them were actually on social media, which itself is a form of algorithmically driven mass influence. But because the content was typed in by other people, we’re ok with it, while the robotic token producer we call AI is an evil force?
- wewtyflakes 16d ago
  The author did not call it an evil force, did they? The author seemed more nuanced in what they were saying... > "I don’t know what this relationship will ultimately mean for us, and I don’t think anyone else does either. That uncertainty is precisely why our eagerness to normalize it bothers me."

32 points by miniBill 16d ago

PaulHoule 16d ago

Are they chatting with chatbots or betting on sports?

MarkusQ 16d ago
Bingo. Some of them we probably also live streaming their reactions to the game. And some were working. And I'll bet more than a few were doom scrolling. Or playing Pokemon. Or arguing politics online (possibly with bots, but not knowingly). Or doing one of the 50000 things that I haven't heard of.
derefr 16d ago
Some of them were probably using an LLM as a fancy search engine to look up the rules of baseball.
- acheron 16d ago
  The Red Sox/Blue Jays game recently when the “fourth out” rule came into play probably could have used an LLM explanation.
  - PaulHoule 16d ago
    Reminds me of the poorly coached American football team I saw that gave up 150 yards in penalties and got “offsides” so many times I thought it was the other kind of football.
Game_Ender 16d ago
They could even be asking chatbots about how to bet.

areoform 16d ago

I think a better framework to look at it is the follow quote from Terminator 2: Judgment Day, Watching John with the machine, it was suddenly so clear. The terminator would never stop. It would never leave him, and it would never hurt him, never shout at him, or get drunk and hit him, or say it was too busy to spend time with him. It would always be there. And it would die to protect him. Of all the would-be fathers who came and went over the years, this thing, this machine, was the only one who measured up. In an insane world, it was the sanest choice. In so many ways, I am deeply uncomfortable with how these entities are being shepherded. However, at the same time, what they promise, what they offer is worth foregoing that risk. Not everyone in this world gets to have a father. Or, mother, a teacher, a safe place, a patient ear. Provided we don't spike the ball, as these systems grow in sophistication, they also grow in their ability to provide care. In a cruel world, I can see their descendants becoming the most humane choice, especially for those most at risk from the world. A machine that never tires, with infinite patience, resolve and care, looking out for the person that they're assigned to and growing with them and through them. It's why everyone needs to be able to tinker, experiment and play with them. The right to access. The right to create. The right to grow these machines... And eventually, we'll need ti start having some very uncomfortable conversations about Silicon rights.

PaulHoule 16d ago
One of the ways post-humanism manifests in The Terminator franchise: a biological man can never measure up to a mechanical man.
- genxy 16d ago
  I am not jealous of the Rabbit 2000, I am in awe.
gorjusborg 16d ago
This point of view is twisted and disturbing. I'm sorry for those who don't have people in their lives, but machines aren't a substitute, and that lack shouldn't be used to justify a right to unbounded freedom to experiment without regard for the possible negative consequences.

nh23423fefe 16d ago

I thought Chrono Cross was terrible, even more so when you consider how amazing Chrono Trigger was.

marginalia_nu 16d ago
Both are pretty good, but if you go into the former expecting the latter, you're in for a disappointment. The former is best enjoyed as a separate experience.
infotainment 16d ago
It had amazing music and visuals, but the story made absolutely no sense, and consequently the game fails as a sequel to Chrono Trigger IMO. If, for some reason, you want to enjoy reading a lengthy online screed about the issues with Cross's storyline, I recommend this: https://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Chrono_Cross_-_A_Mea_Culpa_for_a_Sea_of_Plot_Holes.html https://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Chrono_Cross_-_A_Mea_C...
mock-possum 16d ago
Oh hush, chrono cross was fine. It had a neat elemental combo battle system, an excellent soundtrack, a story that basically made no fucking sense, and like a million optional characters. It was fine.

Apreche 16d ago

How naive of you to think it was by accident.

marginalia_nu 16d ago

NG Resonance from Deus Ex II is arguably an even more on-point comparison.

shermantanktop 16d ago

> Recently, I was at a baseball game with my partner. One of the reasons I enjoy going to baseball games in person is to watch the crowd. As I looked around, however, I noticed something different: many people had tuned out of the game and were instead on their phones, talking to various chatbots: ChatGPT, Claude and Grok. I’d like the author to describe how they knew what specific applications these many people were using on their phones, all around them at a baseball game. Many of them were actually on social media, which itself is a form of algorithmically driven mass influence. But because the content was typed in by other people, we’re ok with it, while the robotic token producer we call AI is an evil force?

wewtyflakes 16d ago
The author did not call it an evil force, did they? The author seemed more nuanced in what they were saying... > "I don’t know what this relationship will ultimately mean for us, and I don’t think anyone else does either. That uncertainty is precisely why our eagerness to normalize it bothers me."