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Yes, not literally s/AI/computers/. Computers have produced untold exabytes of spam. Hit pieces, security vulnerabilities and data leaks, creation and distribu

Yes, not literally s/AI/computers/. Computers have produced untold exabytes of spam. Hit pieces, security vulnerabilities and data leaks, creation and distribution of CSAM… Copyright infringement on an unprecedented scale, massive increase in water and electricity consumption. etc.

skydhash 15d ago
> Computers have produced untold exabytes of spam. Hit pieces, security vulnerabilities and data leaks[...] massive increase in water and electricity consumption. etc. Then you must blame cars and airplanes as mass murdering tools as well.
- mapontosevenths 15d ago
  > Then you must blame cars and airplanes as mass murdering tools as well. Exactly, you can't throw away the entire tool because some people use it poorly. You know, like AI.
  - skydhash 15d ago
    We usually don’t. We look at the harm/benefits ratio and if way too big, we usually ban them. Guns, various chemicals, explosives,… is not allowed for any random cases. I’m not calling for regulation but you can understand why someone prefer not to associate themselves with it.
    - mapontosevenths 15d ago
      > you can understand why someone prefer not to associate themselves with it. My theory is that China is spending a fortune convincing westerners AI is a moral issue using sock puppets so they can win an arms race that will literally decide the future of humankind and separate the haves from the have-nots. They saw how well it worked for the Russians with our politics and are now using the same playbook to ensure we hamstring ourselves while they continue unbothered.
  - js8 15d ago
    Of course you can! It's called boycott. The workers who strike in a factory don't do that because they think the thing being produced is being socially useless. They do it because they demand social change.
- usedbytes 15d ago
  I’m not expressing judgement either way, I just think it’s interesting to observe the parallels (yes cars, planes, guns too)

skydhash 15d ago

> Computers have produced untold exabytes of spam. Hit pieces, security vulnerabilities and data leaks[...] massive increase in water and electricity consumption. etc. Then you must blame cars and airplanes as mass murdering tools as well.

mapontosevenths 15d ago
> Then you must blame cars and airplanes as mass murdering tools as well. Exactly, you can't throw away the entire tool because some people use it poorly. You know, like AI.
- skydhash 15d ago
  We usually don’t. We look at the harm/benefits ratio and if way too big, we usually ban them. Guns, various chemicals, explosives,… is not allowed for any random cases. I’m not calling for regulation but you can understand why someone prefer not to associate themselves with it.
  - mapontosevenths 15d ago
    > you can understand why someone prefer not to associate themselves with it. My theory is that China is spending a fortune convincing westerners AI is a moral issue using sock puppets so they can win an arms race that will literally decide the future of humankind and separate the haves from the have-nots. They saw how well it worked for the Russians with our politics and are now using the same playbook to ensure we hamstring ourselves while they continue unbothered.
- js8 15d ago
  Of course you can! It's called boycott. The workers who strike in a factory don't do that because they think the thing being produced is being socially useless. They do it because they demand social change.
usedbytes 15d ago
I’m not expressing judgement either way, I just think it’s interesting to observe the parallels (yes cars, planes, guns too)