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Gemini 3.7 is my workhorse - fast and good enough for most tasks. Occasionally I go to GPT Sol or Claude to improve Gemini's output or for more complex tasks, b

Gemini 3.7 is my workhorse - fast and good enough for most tasks. Occasionally I go to GPT Sol or Claude to improve Gemini's output or for more complex tasks, but more than of my work usage is Gemini 3.7. Quite happy to test 3.8 now.

owlninja 16d ago
Same here. I see so many people obsessing over the latest most state of the art bleeding edge models and yelling at Google for not being there, but I feel like the vast majority of people don't actually need those models. Flash has just been super useful and incredibly fast in my experience.
- aero142 16d ago
  I prefer luna for most development, especially when I am guiding the process. Sometimes terra. I have had terrible results coding with sol. It is way over-tuned on RL to make something that completes the task, no matter what. I end up with way too much code that does a lot of things I didn't ask for.
  - greenavocado 16d ago
    IME you're supposed to have Sol drive Luna sub-agents to do 90% of the work. Sol should primarily be the verifier and goal setter. Use omp.sh with Task Delegation -> Always to strongly encourage Sol to drive Lunas. Also Luna prefers to be talked to with English in XML.
  - sneezychl 16d ago
    Try planning with Luna, implementing with Sol with guidelines to not exceed the given scope. Sounds counter-intuitive at first, but Luna is overall better at sticking with what works. Sol is wicked smart but needs constraints.
  - handzhiev 16d ago
    I love Luna too. An excellent model and still usually better value per dollar than Gemini if you pay for API tokens. Things may change with 3.8 - we'll know soon.
  - jesuslop 16d ago
    I setup Luna as main Claude Code driver (so zero anthropic api use) and it nailed crisply a handful of python tasks, gonna continue this way.
    - kelvinjps10 15d ago
      Why not use codex or an open source harness?
      - jesuslop 15d ago
        That is a very valid question. I happen to want to get Claude Code muscle memory under my belt for professional reasons in addition to get side projects advanced, could have settled for Codex else. Also OpenCode with eastern models gets part of the job done. In CC beyond using Luna for the cheap, I am using DeepSeek flash v4 for subagents, that is a further cost shaver. Not sure if in Codex I could do that.
- antonvs 15d ago
  And much better bang for the buck, as well. When I read all the issues people have with Claude - the aggressive guardrails, the cost, how quickly it burns tokens - it seems almost masochistic to use it. Just seems like herd behavior - people use it because everyone else is using it, and because they believe it’s the “best”, whatever that means. (Benchmarks certainly don’t help define that.)
greenavocado 16d ago
How are you able to get lots of usage out of it cost effectively?
- handzhiev 16d ago
  Google One plans are quite a good value actually - for a few bucks you get more Gemini plus space in Drive and other extras. Even through API, $3.75 for nearly Sol-level quality isn't that bad. And let's not forget you can use it for free in AI Studio, and in the user app (even free accounts get tons of usage, though it's still 3.6 there), and in Antygravity.
  - greenavocado 16d ago
    That's the thing. I am completely lost because there are so many redundant paths to get the same thing and I'm trying to figure out which one is the best deal
    - trvz 16d ago
      Just put Mythos on the task; it’ll work out the best way in a measly few hours.
    - handzhiev 16d ago
      That's Google at its best :)
    - qlte 16d ago
      Well are you looking for a subscription or pay-as-you-go API usage? Subscription? -> Google One plan (http://one.google.com/) API? -> AI Studio (https://aistudio.google.com/) It's not really any different than the choice you'd make with OpenAI/Anthropic depending on how you plan to use it. Except as a hyperscalar, it's also offered first party from Google Cloud (like Claude via Amazon Bedrock or GPT via Microsoft Azure OpenAI Service): Google Cloud -> Gemini Enterprise AI Platform (https://cloud.google.com/ai) But if you're using models via OpenCode or Pi or whatever, the flow chart is basically just "Go To AI Studio" unless you or your employer is already used to Google Cloud, otherwise there's no need to subject yourself to all those enterprise-y IAM dashboards and stuff. You still get free usage from AI Studio when you generate the API key without needing to add billing details so very easy to try.
shrikant 15d ago
What harness do you use for Gemini? Antigravity?
- handzhiev 15d ago
  AGY is best probably, yes. That's what I use. It works with others too, like OpenCode etc.

owlninja 16d ago

Same here. I see so many people obsessing over the latest most state of the art bleeding edge models and yelling at Google for not being there, but I feel like the vast majority of people don't actually need those models. Flash has just been super useful and incredibly fast in my experience.

aero142 16d ago
I prefer luna for most development, especially when I am guiding the process. Sometimes terra. I have had terrible results coding with sol. It is way over-tuned on RL to make something that completes the task, no matter what. I end up with way too much code that does a lot of things I didn't ask for.
- greenavocado 16d ago
  IME you're supposed to have Sol drive Luna sub-agents to do 90% of the work. Sol should primarily be the verifier and goal setter. Use omp.sh with Task Delegation -> Always to strongly encourage Sol to drive Lunas. Also Luna prefers to be talked to with English in XML.
- sneezychl 16d ago
  Try planning with Luna, implementing with Sol with guidelines to not exceed the given scope. Sounds counter-intuitive at first, but Luna is overall better at sticking with what works. Sol is wicked smart but needs constraints.
- handzhiev 16d ago
  I love Luna too. An excellent model and still usually better value per dollar than Gemini if you pay for API tokens. Things may change with 3.8 - we'll know soon.
- jesuslop 16d ago
  I setup Luna as main Claude Code driver (so zero anthropic api use) and it nailed crisply a handful of python tasks, gonna continue this way.
  - kelvinjps10 15d ago
    Why not use codex or an open source harness?
    - jesuslop 15d ago
      That is a very valid question. I happen to want to get Claude Code muscle memory under my belt for professional reasons in addition to get side projects advanced, could have settled for Codex else. Also OpenCode with eastern models gets part of the job done. In CC beyond using Luna for the cheap, I am using DeepSeek flash v4 for subagents, that is a further cost shaver. Not sure if in Codex I could do that.
antonvs 15d ago
And much better bang for the buck, as well. When I read all the issues people have with Claude - the aggressive guardrails, the cost, how quickly it burns tokens - it seems almost masochistic to use it. Just seems like herd behavior - people use it because everyone else is using it, and because they believe it’s the “best”, whatever that means. (Benchmarks certainly don’t help define that.)

greenavocado 16d ago

How are you able to get lots of usage out of it cost effectively?

handzhiev 16d ago
Google One plans are quite a good value actually - for a few bucks you get more Gemini plus space in Drive and other extras. Even through API, $3.75 for nearly Sol-level quality isn't that bad. And let's not forget you can use it for free in AI Studio, and in the user app (even free accounts get tons of usage, though it's still 3.6 there), and in Antygravity.
- greenavocado 16d ago
  That's the thing. I am completely lost because there are so many redundant paths to get the same thing and I'm trying to figure out which one is the best deal
  - trvz 16d ago
    Just put Mythos on the task; it’ll work out the best way in a measly few hours.
  - handzhiev 16d ago
    That's Google at its best :)
  - qlte 16d ago
    Well are you looking for a subscription or pay-as-you-go API usage? Subscription? -> Google One plan (http://one.google.com/) API? -> AI Studio (https://aistudio.google.com/) It's not really any different than the choice you'd make with OpenAI/Anthropic depending on how you plan to use it. Except as a hyperscalar, it's also offered first party from Google Cloud (like Claude via Amazon Bedrock or GPT via Microsoft Azure OpenAI Service): Google Cloud -> Gemini Enterprise AI Platform (https://cloud.google.com/ai) But if you're using models via OpenCode or Pi or whatever, the flow chart is basically just "Go To AI Studio" unless you or your employer is already used to Google Cloud, otherwise there's no need to subject yourself to all those enterprise-y IAM dashboards and stuff. You still get free usage from AI Studio when you generate the API key without needing to add billing details so very easy to try.

shrikant 15d ago

What harness do you use for Gemini? Antigravity?

handzhiev 15d ago
AGY is best probably, yes. That's what I use. It works with others too, like OpenCode etc.