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>...and because I didn't use unemployment benefits I didn't show up in the statistics in switzerland and > It's unclear to me how folks with a university educ

>...and because I didn't use unemployment benefits I didn't show up in the statistics in switzerland and > It's unclear to me how folks with a university education can make such simplistic statements. Do you even fact-check yourself before making specious claims[0][1]? You HAVE to be registered via RAV to be counted. Full stop. 0 - https://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/en/home/statistics/work-income/surveys/als.html https://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/en/home/statistics/work-income/... 1 - https://switzerlandhandbook.com/rav-and-unemployment-benefits-how-to-register-and-what-you-get/#The_Unemployment_Insurance_Fund_Explained https://switzerlandhandbook.com/rav-and-unemployment-benefit...

teiferer 15d ago
"Full stop"? So you don't want to hear other arguments? The ILO-based statistics differ from what you cited and explicitly "encompasses all persons not employed and who are actively looking for and available for work, regardless of whether they are registered with a regional placement office. " That doesn't match your definition and that's ok.
- bel8 15d ago
  The fact that they would rather try to win an internet argument by showing indifference to what others have to say than learn something might hint at traits that keep them unemployed. Harsh but maybe this helps changing their mindset.
  - Chris2048 15d ago
    Who is "they" in this argument?
    - bel8 15d ago
      2legit2quit obviously, given the context.
      - Chris2048 14d ago
        In what sense is 2legit2quit kept unemployed?
      - bugbull 14d ago
        [flagged]
- 2legit2quit 15d ago
  > The ILO-based statistics differ from what you cited What do the ILO-based statistics have to do with original comment[0] that they are in Switzerland, unemployed, don't collect unemployment, and don't count towards Switzerland's specific-statistics as a result? 0 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49532179 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49532179
  - teiferer 14d ago
    The connection is that www.bfs.admin.ch itself will tell you that there are multiple sources for unemployment statistics in Switzerland, ILO-based being one of them. Picking only the one that supports your argument after being pointed out that there are others indicates unwillingnes to engage in a good faith argument. Since your tone is repeatedly condescending in addition to that, I'll end my engagement in this particular line of discussion.
    - 2legit2quit 14d ago
      > The connection is that www.bfs.admin.ch itself will tell you... You mean the same exact domain in the first link I gave, which doesn't mention ILO, whatsoever? That `www.bfs.admin.ch`? > Picking only the one that supports your argument... It literally supports the argument for the original comment's statement. It's from the official governing body. What are you on about? If your complaint is that it disproves the statement, and they officially use ILO (doubtful but allowing for a comedy of errors) for their own statistics, your argument is with the governing body - not me. Correct? Speaking of bad faith, why not show a modicum of effort on your part to reference any official documentation that Switzerland DOES use ILO in their own statistics? It comes across as the same specious approach used by vaccine conspiracy theorists, "...just trust me, bro, do your own research, you'll see...".

teiferer 15d ago

"Full stop"? So you don't want to hear other arguments? The ILO-based statistics differ from what you cited and explicitly "encompasses all persons not employed and who are actively looking for and available for work, regardless of whether they are registered with a regional placement office. " That doesn't match your definition and that's ok.

bel8 15d ago
The fact that they would rather try to win an internet argument by showing indifference to what others have to say than learn something might hint at traits that keep them unemployed. Harsh but maybe this helps changing their mindset.
- Chris2048 15d ago
  Who is "they" in this argument?
  - bel8 15d ago
    2legit2quit obviously, given the context.
    - Chris2048 14d ago
      In what sense is 2legit2quit kept unemployed?
    - bugbull 14d ago
      [flagged]
2legit2quit 15d ago
> The ILO-based statistics differ from what you cited What do the ILO-based statistics have to do with original comment[0] that they are in Switzerland, unemployed, don't collect unemployment, and don't count towards Switzerland's specific-statistics as a result? 0 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49532179 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49532179
- teiferer 14d ago
  The connection is that www.bfs.admin.ch itself will tell you that there are multiple sources for unemployment statistics in Switzerland, ILO-based being one of them. Picking only the one that supports your argument after being pointed out that there are others indicates unwillingnes to engage in a good faith argument. Since your tone is repeatedly condescending in addition to that, I'll end my engagement in this particular line of discussion.
  - 2legit2quit 14d ago
    > The connection is that www.bfs.admin.ch itself will tell you... You mean the same exact domain in the first link I gave, which doesn't mention ILO, whatsoever? That `www.bfs.admin.ch`? > Picking only the one that supports your argument... It literally supports the argument for the original comment's statement. It's from the official governing body. What are you on about? If your complaint is that it disproves the statement, and they officially use ILO (doubtful but allowing for a comedy of errors) for their own statistics, your argument is with the governing body - not me. Correct? Speaking of bad faith, why not show a modicum of effort on your part to reference any official documentation that Switzerland DOES use ILO in their own statistics? It comes across as the same specious approach used by vaccine conspiracy theorists, "...just trust me, bro, do your own research, you'll see...".